[geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "geocentrism list" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:41:51 +1000
Well I have only just been mentioning Bible Language and translation, when Marc
comes along and presents us with a story that is simply mind blowing... Yas
all should study this... I'm still at it.. Interestingly I seen a documentary
on the Rossetta Stone a year back where the British begrudgingly recognised
Fernand Crombette 's work on solving the Egyptian Heiroglyphics from being
symbolic pictures to a real language .. from coptic .. Philip
Start selection. http://www.chez.com/ceshe/
One day, whilst using his method to study a Cretan inscription, he found that
it related the participation of the 31st king of the 1st dynastie of the
country in the funeral of Jacob, Joseph's father. Shortly after, he found
practically the same account in an Egyptian text which read :
"Whilst on the way to the Chief's hidden resting place, a marvellous event
occured when the company reached the stage at the frontier [of Egypt], for the
river, torrential, swollen and turbulent, had greatly overflowed its banks ;
but the Master of Heaven allowed the cortege to reach the opposite bank rapidly
and without harm, through the action of the great prophet."
Now, Genesis, chapter 50, which relates Jacob's funeral, makes no mention of
this prodigy. In this connection, Crombette wrote : "Hebrew such as we know it
today is an inflected language called Semitic. .......
.......Crombette then thought that a syllabic reading of Hebrew should be able
to be understood in ancient Coptic. He, therefore, attempted a word by word
translation of the passage from Genesis relating to Jacob's funeral. The fruit
of his efforts was the following :
"And while, with religious respect Joseph, weighed down with grief, made his
way towards Canaan, with a view to bring the funeral to Heth, the waters,
swollen to their maximum degree, rose up against the marching cortege. But, at
a true great word from him who exercised command over the funeral, the
powerfully agitated waves ceased to flow, turned back, held themselves in
repose and fell silent ; and the considerable company proceeded beyond the
waters of the torrent, which marks the limit of the heritage of the sons born
to Rê (Misraïm), and bowed down before the "One who is substantially" and who
is feared by the Hebrew from Heliopolis.
Convinced of the accuracy of his theory, Fernand Crombette undertook to
translate the first eleven chapters of Genesis and other characteristic
passages of the Bible. The translation entitled "THE REVELATION OF REVELATION"
was published shortly before his death in 1970 (since out of print and not yet
re-edited), is of unexpected richness. By supposing that the original language
of the old Testament was Coptic, the original monosyllabic language of Moses,
Crombette was able to discover a perhaps more precise method of translating the
Bible. The translations he obtained, without in any way contradicting the
theological and moral content of Sacred Scripture, gave greater detail of the
historical facts it contains.
Convinced of the accuracy of his theory, Fernand Crombette undertook to
translate the first eleven chapters of Genesis and other characteristic
passages of the Bible. The translation entitled "THE REVELATION OF REVELATION"
was published shortly before his death in 1970 (since out of print and not yet
re-edited), is of unexpected richness.
.....snip
----- Original Message -----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Geocentric
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:36 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Philip M wrote: « I MEAN WHAT WOULD ALL THE OTHER TRIBES OF THE WORLD GOING
TO DO WITH THIS PROLONGED DAY? Is it mentioned anywhere outside of Scripture?»
Fernand Crombette (see CESHE) translated old writings (with his own method or
technical approach) that confirmed that the prolonged day was observe in
regions far from the land of Canaan (today Israel). So it isn't probable that
it was the same as the Fatima miracle.
But it is possible that by stopping the Sun and the Moon (in GC scenario),
everything else (planets, stars, meteors, etc...) stopped also. In HC
scenario, stopping the Earth would not stop the Moon or anything else. In HC
scenario, the stopping of the Moon simply doesn't make any sense!
Marc V.
----- Original Message -----
From: philip madsen
Sent: 29 juillet 2007 18:08
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
The Moon either stopped or it didn't, but the scriptures say not that it
moved backwards (as the Sun was moved backwards on another occasion), but that
it ceased moving. To a Catholic, this must be clear evidence that the universe
is geostationary.
Neville.
But is it? Leaving out the Catholic history and dogma on the issue, simply
because the truth has been hidden in controversey, and deceit, the confusion
still allows me in conscience to debate it from a contrary view.
Given as I have said in another post, that we do not have the original
language, and having to rely on English translations, and ancient English at
that, is it not possible that God stopped time just for these particular
people, giving the appearances of the heavens being stopped, just to these
people, without interfering with the overall universe elsewhere. I MEAN WHAT
WOULD ALL THE OTHER TRIBES OF THE WORLD GOING TO DO WITH THIS PROLONGED DAY? Is
it mentioned anywhere outside of Scripture?
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:03 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Marc,
No problem. I understand too the point you are making. It is a good point.
Philip was originally after a scientific response to the position he laid
before us, if I remember correctly, and I considered Joshua's long day to be
the strongest, simply because it cannot be "explained" via the usual HC "it's
all relative and equivalent" rhetoric.
The Moon either stopped or it didn't, but the scriptures say not that it
moved backwards (as the Sun was moved backwards on another occasion), but that
it ceased moving. To a Catholic, this must be clear evidence that the universe
is geostationary.
Neville.
-----Original Message-----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:38:21 -0400
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Dr Neville,
You are right, I wasn't accurate with the Moon's angular motion. The
real (average HC) angular motion for a 24 hrs period is: 13.1 degrees
(360/655.72 hrs X 24 hrs). The real (average GC) angular motion for 24 hrs is
347 degrees. I forgot my source for the estimate of 12 hrs extension of
daylight. I also misphrased the point I wanted to demonstrate:
Josuah needed more time of daylight; He was inspired by God to stop the
Moon. So why stop the Moon also ??? Stopping the Sun only would be sufficient
in GC. In HC it makes even less sense since the Moon hardly moves compare to
in GC.
Hope you can understand my point,
Marc
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
Sent: 27 juillet 2007 19:53
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Marc,
My response in red:
-----Original Message-----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:34:30 -0400
In the heliocentric scenario, the Moon moves eastward around 9
degrees daily (but we observe a westward motion of around 351 degrees daily);
so (in the HC scenario) if the Earth would stop moving (rotating and revolving)
the Moon would still moves only around 9 degrees daily; so this motion would
not be very significant since it would be an angular motion of 4½ degrees for a
period of 12 hours.
The Moon goes around in ~ 24h 50m, which means that the World needs
50 mins more than one rotation to lap the Moon in the GC system. The Moon is
thus doing ~ 50/60 * 15 degs = 12.5 degs/day, not 9.
Secondly, I do not know why you limit this claimed miracle to half
a day, but even at that, the Moon would go through 6.25 degs, or 12.5 times its
own diameter, and in the opposite direction to normal.
It would quite simply reverse its direction and, for even half a
day, that is very significant.
Neville.
Since Josue needed an extension of daylight in order to destroy the
ennemies of the Israelites, the real question we should ask is : why stop the
Moon also?? Stopping the Sun only should be enough!!
It seems that a possible reason was not disrupt the natural cycle
of the team Sun/Moon (but this reason only applies to a geocentric universe
because in an heliocentric universe the team Earth/Moon can't claim to be so
important!
Marc V.
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