[geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
- From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:58:41 -0700 (PDT)
Romans 1:18-25
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and
unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath
shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of
the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even
his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21Because
that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful;
but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the
glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and
to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24Wherefore God also
gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour
their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a
lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is
blessed for ever. Amen.
Robert Bennett <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Not entirely on subject , re biblical discussions and political
involvement, may I get a few opinions on geocentrism as regards scripture, by
asking for comment on this following, which seeks to deny it.. by a
By Bro. Peter Dimond, O.S.B. who merely claims of no opinion or proof either
way.
I place my comment in red.
DOES THE TEACHING OF SCRIPTURE ITSELF REQUIRE ONE TO ACCEPT A GEOCENTRIC
VIEW OF THE UNIVERSE?
???
Pope Leo XIII, Providentissimus Deus (#18), Nov. 18, 1893: "? the sacred
writers, or to speak more accurately, the Holy Ghost ?Who spoke by them, did
not intend to teach men these things (that is to say, the essential nature of
the things of the visible universe), things in no way profitable to salvation?
[St.Augustine]. Hence they did not seek to penetrate the secrets of nature, but
rather described and dealt with things in more or less figurative language, or
in terms which were commonly used at the time, and which in many instances are
in daily use at this day, even by the most eminent men of science. Ordinary
speech primarily and properly comes from the senses; and somewhat in the same
way the sacred writers ? as the Angelic Doctor [St. Thomas Aquinas] reminds us
? ?went by what sensibly appeared,? [Summa Theologica, Pt. I, q. 70, a. 1, ad.
3] or put down what God, speaking to men, signified, in the way men could
understand and were accustomed to." Noe here this is
only a papal opinion, not an infallible offering.
Careful. A papal encyclical is not a Vatican press release of a papal
audience, but intended to teach the faithful.
It?s not clear that the passage above does or does not satisfy the
infallibility conditions, but I say ? so what.
All of the Bible speaks the truth, so if the universe was not geocentric and
was contrary to appearances - like HC contends ?then the 60 odd GC verses would
contradict Scriptural veracity.
BTW: I thought the verse presented as counter-argument was pretty lame.
And it goeth down to that part of the mountain that looketh on the valley of
the children of Ennom:
ð And it goeth down to that part of the mountain where men looketh on the
valley of the children of Ennom:
Robert B
????..
Bro Dimond has a vested interest in forming this opinion. It suitably assists
him in winning another doctrineal question, he opposes the doctrine of Baptism
of desire.
I oppose him on both counts..
Philip.
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