[geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
- From: <marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Geocentric" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:34:30 -0400
Dr Neville wrote:
«...Stopping the World just does not account for this claimed event, because
the Moon would continue to move in this scenario. It would not stay still. (In
fact it would go faster - and in the opposite direction - something that would
perhaps have been even more noteworthy!!).»
As R.G. Elmendorf used to say: « this heliocentrism versus geocentrism is a
mind buggling problem!»
In the heliocentric scenario, the Moon moves eastward around 9 degrees daily
(but we observe a westward motion of around 351 degrees daily); so (in the HC
scenario) if the Earth would stop moving (rotating and revolving) the Moon
would still moves only around 9 degrees daily; so this motion would not be very
significant since it would be an angular motion of 4½ degrees for a period of
12 hours.
Since Josue needed an extension of daylight in order to destroy the ennemies of
the Israelites, the real question we should ask is : why stop the Moon also??
Stopping the Sun only should be enough!!
It seems that a possible reason was not disrupt the natural cycle of the team
Sun/Moon (but this reason only applies to a geocentric universe because in an
heliocentric universe the team Earth/Moon can't claim to be so important!
Marc V.
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
Sent: 24 juillet 2007 10:01
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Philip,
Peter Dimond obviously believes that all scripture is inspired. Hence, his
position can be seen to fall apart immediately from the following:
Josue 10:12-13 ? "Then Josue spoke to the Lord, in the day that he delivered
the Amorrhite in the sight of the children of Israel, and he said before them:
Move not, O sun, toward Gabaon, nor thou, O moon, toward the valley of Ajalon.
And the sun and the moon stood still, till the people revenged themselves of
their enemies. Is not this written in the book of the just? So the sun stood
still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down the space of one day."
Everyone who was present at this miracle would have seen the same thing
according to external appearances: the sun and the moon stood still and did not
go down. But, as Pope Leo XIII emphasizes, in accurately reporting this miracle
and what occurred according to external phenomena, they did not "seek to
penetrate the secrets of nature"; that is to say, the sacred books didn?t seek
or intend in this area to explain whether this external appearance was because
the sun actually stood still or was created because the Earth actually did.
Even today astronomers will speak of the sunrise at Philadelphia.
Thus, even if the geocentric view of the universe is not correct, these
passages of the Bible do not in any way detract from the power, the historical
truth, or the accuracy of Sacred Scripture in all aspects of its teaching; for
what is recorded is exactly what was observed according to external phenomena
(as a result of a miracle of God), without penetrating into the reasons for the
creation of these external phenomena.
As I have tried to show here (and in Guided Tours) many times, this passage can
only be accounted for in a geostationary universe. Stopping the World just does
not account for this claimed event, because the Moon would continue to move in
this scenario. It would not stay still. (In fact it would go faster - and in
the opposite direction - something that would perhaps have been even more
noteworthy!!).
Neville.
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