Philip M wrote: « I MEAN WHAT WOULD ALL THE OTHER TRIBES OF THE WORLD GOING TO DO WITH THIS PROLONGED DAY? Is it mentioned anywhere outside of Scripture?» Fernand Crombette (see CESHE) translated old writings (with his own method or technical approach) that confirmed that the prolonged day was observe in regions far from the land of Canaan (today Israel). So it isn't probable that it was the same as the Fatima miracle. But it is possible that by stopping the Sun and the Moon (in GC scenario), everything else (planets, stars, meteors, etc...) stopped also. In HC scenario, stopping the Earth would not stop the Moon or anything else. In HC scenario, the stopping of the Moon simply doesn't make any sense! Marc V. ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen Sent: 29 juillet 2007 18:08 To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject. The Moon either stopped or it didn't, but the scriptures say not that it moved backwards (as the Sun was moved backwards on another occasion), but that it ceased moving. To a Catholic, this must be clear evidence that the universe is geostationary. Neville. But is it? Leaving out the Catholic history and dogma on the issue, simply because the truth has been hidden in controversey, and deceit, the confusion still allows me in conscience to debate it from a contrary view. Given as I have said in another post, that we do not have the original language, and having to rely on English translations, and ancient English at that, is it not possible that God stopped time just for these particular people, giving the appearances of the heavens being stopped, just to these people, without interfering with the overall universe elsewhere. I MEAN WHAT WOULD ALL THE OTHER TRIBES OF THE WORLD GOING TO DO WITH THIS PROLONGED DAY? Is it mentioned anywhere outside of Scripture? Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Neville Jones To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:03 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject. Marc, No problem. I understand too the point you are making. It is a good point Philip was originally after a scientific response to the position he laid before us, if I remember correctly, and I considered Joshua's long day to be the strongest, simply because it cannot be "explained" via the usual HC "it's all relative and equivalent" rhetoric. The Moon either stopped or it didn't, but the scriptures say not that it moved backwards (as the Sun was moved backwards on another occasion), but that it ceased moving. To a Catholic, this must be clear evidence that the universe is geostationary. Neville. -----Original Message----- From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:38:21 -0400 To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject. Dr Neville, You are right, I wasn't accurate with the Moon's angular motion. The real (average HC) angular motion for a 24 hrs period is: 13.1 degrees (360/655.72 hrs X 24 hrs). The real (average GC) angular motion for 24 hrs is 347 degrees. I forgot my source for the estimate of 12 hrs extension of daylight. I also misphrased the point I wanted to demonstrate: Josuah needed more time of daylight; He was inspired by God to stop the Moon. So why stop the Moon also ??? Stopping the Sun only would be sufficient in GC. In HC it makes even less sense since the Moon hardly moves compare to in GC. Hope you can understand my point, Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: Neville Jones Sent: 27 juillet 2007 19:53 To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject. Marc, My response in red: -----Original Message----- From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:34:30 -0400 In the heliocentric scenario, the Moon moves eastward around 9 degrees daily (but we observe a westward motion of around 351 degrees daily); so (in the HC scenario) if the Earth would stop moving (rotating and revolving) the Moon would still moves only around 9 degrees daily; so this motion would not be very significant since it would be an angular motion of 4½ degrees for a period of 12 hours. The Moon goes around in ~ 24h 50m, which means that the World needs 50 mins more than one rotation to lap the Moon in the GC system. The Moon is thus doing ~ 50/60 * 15 degs = 12.5 degs/day, not 9. Secondly, I do not know why you limit this claimed miracle to half a day, but even at that, the Moon would go through 6.25 degs, or 12.5 times its own diameter, and in the opposite direction to normal. It would quite simply reverse its direction and, for even half a day, that is very significant. Neville. Since Josue needed an extension of daylight in order to destroy the ennemies of the Israelites, the real question we should ask is : why stop the Moon also?? Stopping the Sun only should be enough!! It seems that a possible reason was not disrupt the natural cycle of the team Sun/Moon (but this reason only applies to a geocentric universe because in an heliocentric universe the team Earth/Moon can't claim to be so important! Marc V. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date: 28/07/2007 3:50 PM