[geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
- From: <marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Geocentric" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:55:52 -0400
No Jack, the Fatima miracle was only observe in a radius of around 5 miles
(this radius is from memory, it's not accurate).
Marc V.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Lewis
Sent: 30 juillet 2007 11:16
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Was the Fatima miracle observed on a world-wide basis in the same way as is
shown by Geradus' Bouws data of Joshua's long day etc.?
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Geocentric
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 4:36 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Philip M wrote: « I MEAN WHAT WOULD ALL THE OTHER TRIBES OF THE WORLD GOING TO
DO WITH THIS PROLONGED DAY? Is it mentioned anywhere outside of Scripture?»
Fernand Crombette (see CESHE) translated old writings (with his own method or
technical approach) that confirmed that the prolonged day was observe in
regions far from the land of Canaan (today Israel). So it isn't probable that
it was the same as the Fatima miracle.
But it is possible that by stopping the Sun and the Moon (in GC scenario),
everything else (planets, stars, meteors, etc...) stopped also. In HC
scenario, stopping the Earth would not stop the Moon or anything else. In HC
scenario, the stopping of the Moon simply doesn't make any sense!
Marc V.
----- Original Message -----
From: philip madsen
Sent: 29 juillet 2007 18:08
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
The Moon either stopped or it didn't, but the scriptures say not that it moved
backwards (as the Sun was moved backwards on another occasion), but that it
ceased moving. To a Catholic, this must be clear evidence that the universe is
geostationary.
Neville.
But is it? Leaving out the Catholic history and dogma on the issue, simply
because the truth has been hidden in controversey, and deceit, the confusion
still allows me in conscience to debate it from a contrary view.
Given as I have said in another post, that we do not have the original
language, and having to rely on English translations, and ancient English at
that, is it not possible that God stopped time just for these particular
people, giving the appearances of the heavens being stopped, just to these
people, without interfering with the overall universe elsewhere. I MEAN WHAT
WOULD ALL THE OTHER TRIBES OF THE WORLD GOING TO DO WITH THIS PROLONGED DAY? Is
it mentioned anywhere outside of Scripture?
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:03 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Marc,
No problem. I understand too the point you are making. It is a good point
Philip was originally after a scientific response to the position he laid
before us, if I remember correctly, and I considered Joshua's long day to be
the strongest, simply because it cannot be "explained" via the usual HC "it's
all relative and equivalent" rhetoric.
The Moon either stopped or it didn't, but the scriptures say not that it moved
backwards (as the Sun was moved backwards on another occasion), but that it
ceased moving. To a Catholic, this must be clear evidence that the universe is
geostationary.
Neville.
-----Original Message-----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:38:21 -0400
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Dr Neville,
You are right, I wasn't accurate with the Moon's angular motion. The real
(average HC) angular motion for a 24 hrs period is: 13.1 degrees (360/655.72
hrs X 24 hrs). The real (average GC) angular motion for 24 hrs is 347 degrees.
I forgot my source for the estimate of 12 hrs extension of daylight. I also
misphrased the point I wanted to demonstrate:
Josuah needed more time of daylight; He was inspired by God to stop the Moon.
So why stop the Moon also ??? Stopping the Sun only would be sufficient in GC.
In HC it makes even less sense since the Moon hardly moves compare to in GC.
Hope you can understand my point,
Marc
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
Sent: 27 juillet 2007 19:53
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Marc,
My response in red:
-----Original Message-----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:34:30 -0400
In the heliocentric scenario, the Moon moves eastward around 9 degrees daily
(but we observe a westward motion of around 351 degrees daily); so (in the HC
scenario) if the Earth would stop moving (rotating and revolving) the Moon
would still moves only around 9 degrees daily; so this motion would not be very
significant since it would be an angular motion of 4½ degrees for a period of
12 hours.
The Moon goes around in ~ 24h 50m, which means that the World needs 50 mins
more than one rotation to lap the Moon in the GC system. The Moon is thus doing
~ 50/60 * 15 degs = 12.5 degs/day, not 9.
Secondly, I do not know why you limit this claimed miracle to half a day, but
even at that, the Moon would go through 6.25 degs, or 12.5 times its own
diameter, and in the opposite direction to normal.
It would quite simply reverse its direction and, for even half a day, that is
very significant.
Neville.
Since Josue needed an extension of daylight in order to destroy the ennemies of
the Israelites, the real question we should ask is : why stop the Moon also??
Stopping the Sun only should be enough!!
It seems that a possible reason was not disrupt the natural cycle of the team
Sun/Moon (but this reason only applies to a geocentric universe because in an
heliocentric universe the team Earth/Moon can't claim to be so important!
Marc V.
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