[geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "geocentrism list" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:04:28 +1000
By the way, things are not simple with Fernand Crombette: the old coptic spoken
by Moses has dissipeared without leaving a trace; the new coptic spoken in the
first centuries is not spoken by anybody in our times except the priest of the
Coptic Church (it is still their sacred language for liturgy). So Crombette
used the new coptic to re-create the old coptic.
Yes Marc.. thanks this was all on the TV documetary a year ago and I did not
get the significance especially as in general science Crombette is
ostracised... I wonder if they will ever translate his work Revelations of
revelations on genesis?
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Geocentric
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:52 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Philip,
there are some english translations on the site you found below; you have to
clic (with your mouse) on the British flag!
By the way, things are not simple with Fernand Crombette: the old coptic
spoken by Moses has dissipeared without leaving a trace; the new coptic spoken
in the first centuries is not spoken by anybody in our times except the priest
of the Coptic Church (it is still their sacred language for liturgy). So
Crombette used the new coptic to re-create the old coptic.
Crombette is not popular, because in France there are very few creationists
and (the Traditional RC) God is not popular over there. Crombette was a
creationist and a semi-geocentrist. His model of the universe is a rotating
Earth (but the center (axle) of rotation is not the center of the Earth, it is
situated at the edge of the Earth. the Sun revolves yearly around the Earth
along with the stars.
This could be a plan «B» for pure geocentrists!
Marc V.
----- Original Message -----
From: philip madsen
Sent: 30 juillet 2007 03:26
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Sorry about all that folks.. 'Revelations of revelations" on Genesis is
written in French. Perhaps Marc may be able to do a translation . From what I
have seen so far . Fernand Crombette is not popular, seeing as he was a
geocentrist, I guess that does not surprise. Swept under the carpet, and
ignored, his work to be left in a foreign language.. (grin)
Do they have internet translations? Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: philip madsen
To: geocentrism list
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 4:41 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Well I have only just been mentioning Bible Language and translation,
when Marc comes along and presents us with a story that is simply mind
blowing.. Yas all should study this... I'm still at it.. Interestingly I seen
a documentary on the Rossetta Stone a year back where the British begrudgingly
recognised Fernand Crombette 's work on solving the Egyptian Heiroglyphics from
being symbolic pictures to a real language .. from coptic .. Philip
Start selection. http://www.chez.com/ceshe/
One day, whilst using his method to study a Cretan inscription, he found
that it related the participation of the 31st king of the 1st dynastie of the
country in the funeral of Jacob, Joseph's father. Shortly after, he found
practically the same account in an Egyptian text which read :
"Whilst on the way to the Chief's hidden resting place, a marvellous
event occured when the company reached the stage at the frontier [of Egypt],
for the river, torrential, swollen and turbulent, had greatly overflowed its
banks ; but the Master of Heaven allowed the cortege to reach the opposite bank
rapidly and without harm, through the action of the great prophet."
Now, Genesis, chapter 50, which relates Jacob's funeral, makes no mention
of this prodigy. In this connection, Crombette wrote : "Hebrew such as we know
it today is an inflected language called Semitic. .......
.......Crombette then thought that a syllabic reading of Hebrew should be
able to be understood in ancient Coptic. He, therefore, attempted a word by
word translation of the passage from Genesis relating to Jacob's funeral. The
fruit of his efforts was the following :
"And while, with religious respect Joseph, weighed down with grief, made
his way towards Canaan, with a view to bring the funeral to Heth, the waters,
swollen to their maximum degree, rose up against the marching cortege. But, at
a true great word from him who exercised command over the funeral, the
powerfully agitated waves ceased to flow, turned back, held themselves in
repose and fell silent ; and the considerable company proceeded beyond the
waters of the torrent, which marks the limit of the heritage of the sons born
to Rê (Misraïm), and bowed down before the "One who is substantially" and who
is feared by the Hebrew from Heliopolis.
Convinced of the accuracy of his theory, Fernand Crombette undertook to
translate the first eleven chapters of Genesis and other characteristic
passages of the Bible. The translation entitled "THE REVELATION OF REVELATION"
was published shortly before his death in 1970 (since out of print and not yet
re-edited), is of unexpected richness. By supposing that the original language
of the old Testament was Coptic, the original monosyllabic language of Moses,
Crombette was able to discover a perhaps more precise method of translating the
Bible. The translations he obtained, without in any way contradicting the
theological and moral content of Sacred Scripture, gave greater detail of the
historical facts it contains.
Convinced of the accuracy of his theory, Fernand Crombette undertook to
translate the first eleven chapters of Genesis and other characteristic
passages of the Bible. The translation entitled "THE REVELATION OF REVELATION"
was published shortly before his death in 1970 (since out of print and not yet
re-edited), is of unexpected richness.
.....snip
----- Original Message -----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Geocentric
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:36 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Philip M wrote: « I MEAN WHAT WOULD ALL THE OTHER TRIBES OF THE WORLD
GOING TO DO WITH THIS PROLONGED DAY? Is it mentioned anywhere outside of
Scripture?»
Fernand Crombette (see CESHE) translated old writings (with his own
method or technical approach) that confirmed that the prolonged day was observe
in regions far from the land of Canaan (today Israel). So it isn't probable
that it was the same as the Fatima miracle.
But it is possible that by stopping the Sun and the Moon (in GC
scenario), everything else (planets, stars, meteors, etc...) stopped also. In
HC scenario, stopping the Earth would not stop the Moon or anything else. In
HC scenario, the stopping of the Moon simply doesn't make any sense!
Marc V.
----- Original Message -----
From: philip madsen
Sent: 29 juillet 2007 18:08
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
The Moon either stopped or it didn't, but the scriptures say not that
it moved backwards (as the Sun was moved backwards on another occasion), but
that it ceased moving. To a Catholic, this must be clear evidence that the
universe is geostationary.
Neville.
But is it? Leaving out the Catholic history and dogma on the issue,
simply because the truth has been hidden in controversey, and deceit, the
confusion still allows me in conscience to debate it from a contrary view.
Given as I have said in another post, that we do not have the
original language, and having to rely on English translations, and ancient
English at that, is it not possible that God stopped time just for these
particular people, giving the appearances of the heavens being stopped, just to
these people, without interfering with the overall universe elsewhere. I MEAN
WHAT WOULD ALL THE OTHER TRIBES OF THE WORLD GOING TO DO WITH THIS PROLONGED
DAY? Is it mentioned anywhere outside of Scripture?
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:03 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Marc,
No problem. I understand too the point you are making. It is a good
point.
Philip was originally after a scientific response to the position
he laid before us, if I remember correctly, and I considered Joshua's long day
to be the strongest, simply because it cannot be "explained" via the usual HC
"it's all relative and equivalent" rhetoric.
The Moon either stopped or it didn't, but the scriptures say not
that it moved backwards (as the Sun was moved backwards on another occasion),
but that it ceased moving. To a Catholic, this must be clear evidence that the
universe is geostationary.
Neville.
-----Original Message-----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:38:21 -0400
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Dr Neville,
You are right, I wasn't accurate with the Moon's angular motion.
The real (average HC) angular motion for a 24 hrs period is: 13.1 degrees
(360/655.72 hrs X 24 hrs). The real (average GC) angular motion for 24 hrs is
347 degrees. I forgot my source for the estimate of 12 hrs extension of
daylight. I also misphrased the point I wanted to demonstrate:
Josuah needed more time of daylight; He was inspired by God to
stop the Moon. So why stop the Moon also ??? Stopping the Sun only would be
sufficient in GC. In HC it makes even less sense since the Moon hardly moves
compare to in GC.
Hope you can understand my point,
Marc
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
Sent: 27 juillet 2007 19:53
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Marc,
My response in red:
-----Original Message-----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:34:30 -0400
In the heliocentric scenario, the Moon moves eastward around
9 degrees daily (but we observe a westward motion of around 351 degrees daily);
so (in the HC scenario) if the Earth would stop moving (rotating and revolving)
the Moon would still moves only around 9 degrees daily; so this motion would
not be very significant since it would be an angular motion of 4½ degrees for a
period of 12 hours.
The Moon goes around in ~ 24h 50m, which means that the World
needs 50 mins more than one rotation to lap the Moon in the GC system. The Moon
is thus doing ~ 50/60 * 15 degs = 12.5 degs/day, not 9.
Secondly, I do not know why you limit this claimed miracle to
half a day, but even at that, the Moon would go through 6.25 degs, or 12.5
times its own diameter, and in the opposite direction to normal.
It would quite simply reverse its direction and, for even
half a day, that is very significant.
Neville.
Since Josue needed an extension of daylight in order to
destroy the ennemies of the Israelites, the real question we should ask is :
why stop the Moon also?? Stopping the Sun only should be enough!!
It seems that a possible reason was not disrupt the natural
cycle of the team Sun/Moon (but this reason only applies to a geocentric
universe because in an heliocentric universe the team Earth/Moon can't claim to
be so important!
Marc V.
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