We could have [folds] insert two fold lines, placing the smaller section at
the top, if it is given with no parameters, otherwise use the parameters as
line numbers if there are parameters.
As Peter suggests, this would break backward compatibility and require the
code to be changed if the page length is changed where parameters are used.
-Mike
George You'd probably need a generic "easy" code like [bifold] or [trifold] and let the [folds] command be for those who wish to manipulate codes further. Just a thought (and maybe not a good one). Warren
-----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:31 AM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: [folds] code
Peter, (and all)
With so many different views on this, not to mention sizes of paper, would it not make sense to allow the user to simply state two lines to be blank, or perhaps with a fold line of middle c's?
For example, [folds:7:14~3] to produce a fold on lines 7 & 14 of middle c's.
George.
-----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan Sent: 28 March 2006 16:46 To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: [folds] code
Michael,
We are looking to avoid alogrithms that produce three different sizes of section. We're aiming instead for an alogrithm that, regardless of the number of folds, will produce sections of at most two different sizes.
There seems to be some disagreement about how to distribute the larger and smaller sections, when the sections aren't all of the same size.
Mike is looking for a way to make this something that the end user can set.
So far, we have two preferences:
1. Put the larger section(s) first -- the smaller section(s) following. 2. Put the smaller section(s) first -- the larger section(s) following.
So far, nobody has requested the larger or smaller section(s) be placed in the middle. This is good -- the fewer variations there are in preference, the more easily we can understand and adapt to them.
However, let me point out a wrinkle that nobody else has pointed out so far.
If you have an even number of sections greater than two -- perhaps because
you've requested three fold lines (thus four
sections) -- I posit that you would want, if possible, to have the fold
lines arranged symmetrically on the page.
This would make it possible to fold once down the middle, and once again at
the now-coincident remaining fold lines.
We wouldn't get this by putting the larger fold section(s) consistently at
the top or at the bottom. A recursive algorithm is necessary to manage such
a case well.
All of which is to beg your patience -- and that of others -- as we try to tease out a specification on this one. We've put our thinking caps on too.
- Peter
-----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Surato Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:15 AM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: [folds] code
Correct, I would want the largest section to be at the top of the page.
Ideally, I would want the smallest section to be at the bottom of the page.
This would produce a page that has the first line or so outside of the
folded section, and still have a neat fold.
If the algorithm produces 3 different size sections, I would want the
largest at the top, and the smallest at the bottom.
If there are 2 equal size sections, and 1 larger section, I would want the
larger section at the top. If there are 2 equal size sections, and 1 smaller
section, I would want the smaller section at the bottom.
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Michael,
In other words, you want the top section always to be atsame size,large as any other section, right?
If there are three sections, and two of them will be theSuratoshall the smallest be in the middle or on the bottom?
- Peter
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The guiding principal I would use would be to have thelinesfrom the algorithm be at the top of the paper. Assuming that the equation stays the same, I would countstarting from the bottom of the page. This would place thefold atMelissa Hirshsonline 17 (25-8) & 9 (17-8).
Again this is my opinion.
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> -----Original Message----- > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Ofpaper, it was> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 7:18 AM > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: [folds] code > > Hi Peter, > > I'm not sure what you mean. When I tried to fold the> obvious that line 17, not 16, was the correct place toputprinciplethe folding > line. We would not be able to use the feature if it were only set to > line 16. > > Lissa > > Peter Sullivan wrote: > > Lissa, > > > > The question remains whether there is any guidinginto> to this. > > Or is it "just because"? > > > > - Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa Hirshson > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 5:55 PM > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] [folds] code > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > When we fold a sheet of braille on 8-1/2 by 11 paperpassed to> thirds, the > > lines affected are 8 and 17. > > > > Lissa > > > > Mike Gorse wrote: > > > >>Hi Lissa, Christian, and anyone else interested: > >> > >>Currently, where there is not a second parameterlines, where N => a [folds] > >>code, folds are inserted at fixed intervals of N> >>(num_lines + 1) / num_folds. For instance, on a25-linefold.page, (25 + > >>1) / 3 (rounded down) = 8, so every 8th line is aare two> This causes > >>folds on lines 8 and 16 of a 25-line page, so thereneed> groups of > >>7 lines and one group of 9 lines. It looks as though Ito work in> to change > >>the algorithm, but I need to know how people want itcan be done> >>general before I change anything. > >> > >>There will not always be an equal number of lines available between > >>folds. On a 25-line page, for instance, the best that> >>would be to have one group of 7 lines and two groupsof 8the> lines. In > >>these situations, should the first group always have$fold> fewest lines? > >> > >>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > >> > >>Thanks, > >>-Mike > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Hirshson" > <lissa@xxxxxxx> > >>To: <mike@xxxxxxxxxx> > >>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:28 PM > >>Subject: DBT Beta: Two things > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hi all, > >>> > >>>First of all, I absolutely love the potential of thebeta> command! > >>>We do lots and lots of letters here that need to be > folded, and this > >>>will help us a lot. (Is this new to 10;6? I didn'tsecond foldtest 10;5 > >>>very > >>>thoroughly.) However, the dimensions are wrong, theto> >>>should be on line 17, not 16. (I just tested it.) The > first fold is > >>>correct on line 8. > >>> > >>>Secondly, I see that your definition of narrow paper > (i.e., 8-1/2 by > >>>11 inch) is 32 cells. Here we do 30 cells, not 32, > because, and I've > >>>concurred with a blind colleague, it is uncomfortableour> read braille > >>>when your finger is hitting the edge of the paper all the time. It > >>>also doesn't allow for an adequate binding margin foror> equipment, > >>>either. Can we change the definition of narrow paper,You may also> define our > >>>own, so that we don't need to be typing in 30 all the time? Thanks! > >>> > >>>Lissa > >>>NBP > >>> > >> > >>* * * > >>* This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. > >>* To unsubscribe, send a blank message with > >>* unsubscribe > >>* as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>.> >>* subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode andotherlist archive> subscription > >>* options by visiting //www.freelists.org. 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