[duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences

  • From: "Jack Maartman" <jmaartman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:46:07 -0700

Hi Peter:

For me this is becoming more complicated by the minute. The mistranscribed
capitals, only occur in html files that I have converted to text via a dos
utility called htmlstrip. This program will convert multiple files en masse.
It has an .INI file a mile long, and it may well be a configuration option
in there.

The other issue for me is what gets retained in the registry, if anything at
all once I have uninstalled all "dbt's" resident on my win98 system. i would
love to purge the registry and start from scratch.

As I am transcribing files to be read on a braille lite M40 which uses a
non-standard character display, E.G. the following have opposite values:
left and right brackets, braces
backslash, bar
caret tilde
accent sign, at

Although perhaps seemingly irrelevant, a good subset of signs using dots 7-8
are nondisplayable, I need these in reading unicode characters, especially
those which represent braille, each of wich come up in 80dot braille, three
characters in length. Someone named Cora Chang, has developed a font to
display these characters, otherwise, I think they look like garbage, they
certainly aren't printable but will display correctly on the braille
display, although not in the notetaker.

I am trying to set up an embosser configuration, in which the text can be
printed to a file, using a mac style eol, a single <cr>, no form-feeds, and
my saved template will have no braille or reference page numbers. No matter
how much I uninstall and re-install, Dbt seems to retain some saved
settings. However, generally I can't access the advanced embosser setup
dialog in the global embosser setup. It is listed but I can't reach it. If
this can be done with a mouse It won't work with a simulated mouse in
Window-eyes.

On one occasion, very mysteriously, I could access this dialogue, but the
okay button was disabled, and there were a number of options I did not fully
understand, and as far as I know these are not documented, although George
would probably have the last word on this.  When I did try to print to file,
I got an error message that there was a mistake in line negative one.

I realize, I am using DBT in some non-mainstream ways, and there are dozens
of work arounds. But in my final analysis, I wonder how many of problems we
are having is due to the registry entries, and if uninstalling everything
cleanly deletes these.

For anybody interested inreading Unicode braille equivalents for braille
characters on a braille display, I am attaching the utf-8 unicode table I
derived from a large data file. It lists the fields in the following order
hex number between U2800-28FF
html entity reference followed by a semicolon
The three character utf-8 display
and finally the dot patterns for all 256 values.

The file attachment is called utf8.txt, but it is obviously a binary file,
so some mail protocol or other might possibly mangle it. I think each line
ends with a carriage return only.  Please scan this for viruses to be on the
safe side.

Thanks

ck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences


> Jack, Émile, and all interested:
>
> This is an especially tricky issue for us, because it involves so many
> different things.  Consider that, if you are reading the braille document
> using a braille display, all of these transformations must be in order for
> this to work properly:
>
> 1. The translation from print to braille must work properly.
> 2. Your screen reader must be set to recognize particular ANSI characters
> and render them with particular dot patterns.  This is sometimes called a
> code page.
> 2. Global, Internationalization must be set in DBT so that we antipate the
> code page in use by the screen reader.
>
> There is an analogous, but separate set of issues when it comes to driving
a
> braille embosser, or saving a "raw braille".
>
> Jack has mentioned to me before how the lack of a unified worldwide
standard
> for raw braille representation can cause confusion.  I suspect that this
> issue is just a case in point.  Or, if it's not, then the problem we have
is
> knowing which one of the transformations in DBT contains the bug.
>
> - Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 1:20 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences
>
> Hi Emile:
>
> Thank you. I don't know why the capital sign is coming out as dots 4-5 in
my
> versions of the beta, but I know it is not the way it is coded in the
> translation tables.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Émile Ouellet" <emile@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:20 PM
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences
>
>
> > Hi Jack,
> >
> > I'm not sure if I understand correctly your question.
> >
> > Here, if I create a print document (.dxp) with words contening capitals
> > letters, in french, with, french, french uncontracted or french quebec
> > tables, the result is te same, the capital letter is converted
correctly.
> > dots 4-6 before the letter.
> >
> > Émile
> > ----- Message d'origine ----- 
> > De : "Jack Maartman" <jmaartman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Envoyé : 27 mai 2004 22:22
> > Objet : [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences
> >
> >
> > Hi Emile
> >
> > Does the capital sign print correctly in the French braille tables. In
the
> > beta it seems to be dots4-5 in the uncontracted French table I haven't
> tried
> > abrege yet.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Émile Ouellet" <emile@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:43 PM
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences
> >
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > George said :
> > > It is a generally accepted practice by screen readers to associate
text
> > > adjacent to a text box as being a Label if it has a colon after it.  I
> > > rather suspect
> > > that adding a colon will resolve the issue.
> > >
> > > ====
> > >
> > > I think is a good solution to solve this problem.
> > >
> > >
> > > This evening, I make some others verifications and here andall the
time
> > all
> > > dialog box work good, but not de shortcut preference.
> > >
> > > Here, i use jaws 4.51 and de verbosity level in dbt script in frenchis
> set
> > > to beginers.
> > >
> > > into the dialogs box : Find, Find and replace, go to page, Page
> numering,
> > > all is ok. I don't find yet a dialog box not working good except the
> > > Shortcut preference.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your attention.
> > >
> > > Émile from Longueuil, Québec
> > >
> > > ----- Message d'origine ----- 
> > > De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Envoyé : 27 mai 2004 11:14
> > > Objet : [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Émile,
> > >
> > > You report having problems associating labels with edit controls only
in
> > the
> > > Shortcut Preferences dialog, but no other dialog.  In this I assume
that
> > you
> > > include the Edit, Replace dialog.
> > >
> > > What puzzles me is that none of our dialogs uses any particular
> technique
> > > other than hopefully-logical layout to cause a screen reader to
> associate
> > a
> > > label with an edit field.  The layout of the Edit, Replace dialog and
> the
> > > Shortcut Preferences dialog is quite similar.  But the labels in the
> Edit,
> > > Replace dialog end with a colon, whereas those in the Shortcut
> Preferences
> > > dialog do not.  Perhaps this is a context clue to the screen reader.
> Does
> > > this odd theory sound familiar to you (or to anybody else who has read
> > this
> > > far)?
> > >
> > > - Peter
> > >
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28E6 &#10470; e2a3a6 ⣦ DOTS-23678

28E7 &#10471; e2a3a7 ⣧ DOTS-123678

28E8 &#10472; e2a3a8 ⣨ DOTS-4678

28E9 &#10473; e2a3a9 â£c DOTS-14678

28EA &#10474; e2a3aa ⣪ DOTS-24678

28EB &#10475; e2a3ab ⣫ DOTS-124678

28EC &#10476; e2a3ac ⣬ DOTS-34678

28ED &#10477; e2a3ad ⣭ DOTS-134678

28EE &#10478; e2a3ae ⣮ DOTS-234678

28EF &#10479; e2a3af ⣯ DOTS-1234678

28F0 &#10480; e2a3b0 ⣰ DOTS-5678

28F1 &#10481; e2a3b1 ⣱ DOTS-15678

28F2 &#10482; e2a3b2 ⣲ DOTS-25678

28F3 &#10483; e2a3b3 ⣳ DOTS-125678

28F4 &#10484; e2a3b4 ⣴ DOTS-35678

28F5 &#10485; e2a3b5 ⣵ DOTS-135678

28F6 &#10486; e2a3b6 ⣶ DOTS-235678

28F7 &#10487; e2a3b7 ⣷ DOTS-1235678

28F8 &#10488; e2a3b8 ⣸ DOTS-45678

28F9 &#10489; e2a3b9 ⣹ DOTS-145678

28FA &#10490; e2a3ba ⣺ DOTS-245678

28FB &#10491; e2a3bb ⣻ DOTS-1245678

28FC &#10492; e2a3bc ⣼ DOTS-345678

28FD &#10493; e2a3bd ⣽ DOTS-1345678

28FE &#10494; e2a3be ⣾ DOTS-2345678

28FF &#10495; e2a3bf ⣿ DOTS-12345678
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