[duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:51:59 -0400

Jack, Émile, and all interested:

This is an especially tricky issue for us, because it involves so many
different things.  Consider that, if you are reading the braille document
using a braille display, all of these transformations must be in order for
this to work properly:

1. The translation from print to braille must work properly.
2. Your screen reader must be set to recognize particular ANSI characters
and render them with particular dot patterns.  This is sometimes called a
code page.
2. Global, Internationalization must be set in DBT so that we antipate the
code page in use by the screen reader.

There is an analogous, but separate set of issues when it comes to driving a
braille embosser, or saving a "raw braille".

Jack has mentioned to me before how the lack of a unified worldwide standard
for raw braille representation can cause confusion.  I suspect that this
issue is just a case in point.  Or, if it's not, then the problem we have is
knowing which one of the transformations in DBT contains the bug.

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jack Maartman
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 1:20 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences

Hi Emile:

Thank you. I don't know why the capital sign is coming out as dots 4-5 in my
versions of the beta, but I know it is not the way it is coded in the
translation tables.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Émile Ouellet" <emile@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:20 PM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences


> Hi Jack,
>
> I'm not sure if I understand correctly your question.
>
> Here, if I create a print document (.dxp) with words contening capitals
> letters, in french, with, french, french uncontracted or french quebec
> tables, the result is te same, the capital letter is converted correctly.
> dots 4-6 before the letter.
>
> Émile
> ----- Message d'origine ----- 
> De : "Jack Maartman" <jmaartman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Envoyé : 27 mai 2004 22:22
> Objet : [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences
>
>
> Hi Emile
>
> Does the capital sign print correctly in the French braille tables. In the
> beta it seems to be dots4-5 in the uncontracted French table I haven't
tried
> abrege yet.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jack
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Émile Ouellet" <emile@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:43 PM
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences
>
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > George said :
> > It is a generally accepted practice by screen readers to associate text
> > adjacent to a text box as being a Label if it has a colon after it.  I
> > rather suspect
> > that adding a colon will resolve the issue.
> >
> > ====
> >
> > I think is a good solution to solve this problem.
> >
> >
> > This evening, I make some others verifications and here andall the time
> all
> > dialog box work good, but not de shortcut preference.
> >
> > Here, i use jaws 4.51 and de verbosity level in dbt script in frenchis
set
> > to beginers.
> >
> > into the dialogs box : Find, Find and replace, go to page, Page
numering,
> > all is ok. I don't find yet a dialog box not working good except the
> > Shortcut preference.
> >
> > Thanks for your attention.
> >
> > Émile from Longueuil, Québec
> >
> > ----- Message d'origine ----- 
> > De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Envoyé : 27 mai 2004 11:14
> > Objet : [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences
> >
> >
> > Hello Émile,
> >
> > You report having problems associating labels with edit controls only in
> the
> > Shortcut Preferences dialog, but no other dialog.  In this I assume that
> you
> > include the Edit, Replace dialog.
> >
> > What puzzles me is that none of our dialogs uses any particular
technique
> > other than hopefully-logical layout to cause a screen reader to
associate
> a
> > label with an edit field.  The layout of the Edit, Replace dialog and
the
> > Shortcut Preferences dialog is quite similar.  But the labels in the
Edit,
> > Replace dialog end with a colon, whereas those in the Shortcut
Preferences
> > dialog do not.  Perhaps this is a context clue to the screen reader.
Does
> > this odd theory sound familiar to you (or to anybody else who has read
> this
> > far)?
> >
> > - Peter
> >
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