[duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences

  • From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:40:48 +0100

Regrettably, adding a colon to the Shortcut Preferences dialog does not appear 
to work in the Autobuild.  However.....

In addition to the problem of failing to announce some dialog Text Box Titles, 
I have noticed that there is an additional problem which could potentially have 
a knock on effect for screen readers.

You may notice that is some dialogs, while tabbing around places focus in a 
field, and any text in that field is highlighted as expected, when you tab to 
the next field, the text remains highlighted, in addition to highlighting the 
current focused field.  This in a dialog with a number of text fields, all the 
fields become highlighted as you tab round the dialog.

I have reported this to Peter, and his response follows.  In short, he's on to 
it!

"These three dialogs and some others use a custom control, which can mix text 
and box-encased codes.  The custom control clearly has an error.  Ref #1096 
(new)."

George Bell.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christian Coudert
> Sent: 28 May 2004 08:27
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences
> 
> Hello Ian:
> 
> I have just verified: "Announce Control Group Name" is 
> checked and I have made the test both with JFW 4.51 and JFW 
> 5.00. But the result is negative...
> 
> All the best. Greetings from Paris!
> 
> Christian
> ----- Message d'origine -----
> De : "Ian Robinson" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> À : 
> <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé : vendredi 28 mai 2004 00:01 
> Objet : [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences
> 
> 
> Hi Christian,
> 
> With JAWS set to do a maximum search for labels (which is the 
> default), it will check both to the left and above a control.
> 
> If you want the labels announced for radio buttons in a group 
> box, such as Documents/page Numbers, try the following.
> 
> Go in to the JAWS Configuration Manager, Settings, Verbosity, 
> and make sure that "Announce Control Group Name" is checked.
> 
> I've just tried it here with JAWS version 5 and it works just fine.
> 
> cheers.
> 
> Ian
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christian Coudert" <ch.coudert@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 5:02 PM
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences
> 
> 
> > Hello Peter, Emile and all:
> >
> > I think the problem mentioned by Emile is due to the fact that the 
> > label
> of the
> > fields in "Shortcut preference" is placed above the field, 
> on an upper
> line;
> > Jaws (Eloquence or other synthesizer) pronounces the strings inside 
> > the
> field
> > but not the label in the upper line.
> > This is similar for:
> > Document / Page numbering:
> > The labels "Page numbering for even pages", "Page numbering 
> for odd pages"
> ...
> > are not talked by the synthesizer, one has to join Jaws 
> cursor and PC
> cursor and
> > move the arrow up to the previous line to check which is the 
> > corresponding label.
> >
> > The problem does not exist for Find or Replace because the label is 
> > just
> at the
> > left of the focus, on the same line.
> >
> > Emile, I think that in those situations your Jaws script should 
> > correct
> this
> > deficiency... (Sorry to give you more work).
> >
> > All the best.
> >
> > Christian, Parisian.
> > ----- Message d'origine -----
> > De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : 
> <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> > Envoyé : jeudi 27 mai 2004 17:14 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut 
> > preferences
> >
> >
> > Hello Émile,
> >
> > You report having problems associating labels with edit 
> controls only 
> > in
> the
> > Shortcut Preferences dialog, but no other dialog.  In this I assume 
> > that
> you
> > include the Edit, Replace dialog.
> >
> > What puzzles me is that none of our dialogs uses any particular 
> > technique other than hopefully-logical layout to cause a 
> screen reader 
> > to associate
> a
> > label with an edit field.  The layout of the Edit, Replace 
> dialog and 
> > the Shortcut Preferences dialog is quite similar.  But the 
> labels in 
> > the Edit, Replace dialog end with a colon, whereas those in the 
> > Shortcut Preferences dialog do not.  Perhaps this is a 
> context clue to 
> > the screen reader.  Does this odd theory sound familiar to 
> you (or to 
> > anybody else who has read
> this
> > far)?
> >
> > - Peter
> >
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