[duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences

  • From: "Christian Coudert" <ch.coudert@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:24:53 +0200

Hi Peter:

I just checked what you mentioned, and you are right: in "Replace" and "Shortcut
preference" dialog boxes, the labels above the edit fields are correctly
pronounced.

Let's try with a colon! If you wish, try to do it in an autobuild and tell me
when it will be downloadable.

Christian
----- Message d'origine -----
De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Envoyé : jeudi 27 mai 2004 18:08
Objet : [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences


Hello Christian:

I observe that the Find dialog is set up as you suggest -- with a label next
to the edit field.  But I also observe that the Replace dialog contains
labels above edit fields, as in the Shortcut preferences dialog.  This is
why I suggested adding a colon.

Perhaps the same would help in the Document/Page Numbering dialog.

I prefer this solution, if it works, to any JAWS scripting work, largely
because it is likely to help with WindowEyes, Dolphin's various products,
and other screen readers too.

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Christian Coudert
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 12:02 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences

Hello Peter, Emile and all:

I think the problem mentioned by Emile is due to the fact that the label of
the fields in "Shortcut preference" is placed above the field, on an upper
line; Jaws (Eloquence or other synthesizer) pronounces the strings inside
the field but not the label in the upper line.
This is similar for:
Document / Page numbering:
The labels "Page numbering for even pages", "Page numbering for odd pages"
...
are not talked by the synthesizer, one has to join Jaws cursor and PC cursor
and move the arrow up to the previous line to check which is the
corresponding label.

The problem does not exist for Find or Replace because the label is just at
the left of the focus, on the same line.

Emile, I think that in those situations your Jaws script should correct this
deficiency... (Sorry to give you more work).

All the best.

Christian, Parisian.
----- Message d'origine -----
De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé
: jeudi 27 mai 2004 17:14 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: Shortcut preferences


Hello Émile,

You report having problems associating labels with edit controls only in the
Shortcut Preferences dialog, but no other dialog.  In this I assume that you
include the Edit, Replace dialog.

What puzzles me is that none of our dialogs uses any particular technique
other than hopefully-logical layout to cause a screen reader to associate a
label with an edit field.  The layout of the Edit, Replace dialog and the
Shortcut Preferences dialog is quite similar.  But the labels in the Edit,
Replace dialog end with a colon, whereas those in the Shortcut Preferences
dialog do not.  Perhaps this is a context clue to the screen reader.  Does
this odd theory sound familiar to you (or to anybody else who has read this
far)?

- Peter

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