[duxhelp] Re: Compinline codes

  • From: "Jack Maartman" <jmaartman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:38:06 -0700

Hi:

As long as DBT, was, and it can, produce text in Unicode, this is fine.
Embossers have been able to cope with eight-dot braille for a long time.
The cardinal bump in the night, is that there has to be an assignment for
each eight-dot braille character, and there are more eight-dot braille
tables than Mc'donald's hamburghers.  The North American table, as one might
expect is radically different than all the rest.  This is not surprising if
one considers, that CBC is a hybrid of Abe Nemeth's code.  In my view,
without being able to count higher than one,  Nemeth code is the most
economical and clever system for representing math, in braille ever dreamed
of, making Abe the Louis Braille of the last century.

UEBC, has had to scrap the Nemeth Code, to make it more computer friendly,
but more importantly, to bring it into line with the plethora of European
codes out there, which were derived from a code, that arrived in 1929, when
Braille music assumed the form not much different than its current state.

Even assuming that we adopt UEBC wholesale, any good braille reader can
easily learn Nemeth Code. But with UEBC, you don't need much mark-up.  I
frankly, can't get along without it.  Sadly in my view, it is just one more
English braille code, so now there are three, or four if Braille grade
three, still has any status.

Jack


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Westmoreland, J. R." <jr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:42 PM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Compinline codes


> Ok, how about this...
>
> Is there a way to, or wouldn't it be nice..., have dbt go in to a mode
> where you could say "produce 8-dot braille"?
> This would be like CBC except it would produce characters just as they
> are in 8-dot braille.
>
> For us programmers that read a lot of technical books, and still like
> our text in contracted braille, this could be the neatest thing since
> sliced bread. What do you think?  Most new embossers can handle 8-dot
> braille very well.
>
> J. R.
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:36 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Compinline codes
>
> Hi all:
>
> Let's remember that braille, is dependent on a fixed system of 64
> characters, including the zero, be it space or <cr/lf>.  With this set
> of paltry symbols, it has managed to perform miracles.  with the advent
> of computers, and the addition of two extra dots, this list of symbols
> has proliferated to 256, and yet we pretend, that braille is still a six
> dot system.  If I could wave a magic wand, waive the superimposed
> constraints, then DBT would be  able to treat braille in the way that it
> actually is now.
> Joe could design custom tables incorporating all the new signs as
> needed. I work a lot in a form of unicode called utf-8.  This system
> actually encodes braille patterns, although every character, whether six
> or eight dot consists of three eight dot signs, including the space.
>
> Jack
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melissa Hirshson" <lissa@xxxxxxx>
> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:38 PM
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Compinline codes
>
>
> > Hi Warren,
> >
> > You are absolutely right--it's practically impossible to please
> > everyone!! All of these different groups have very different needs,
> and
> > that is the challenge that poor Duxbury has. :) All of these different
> > users demand, "I want my software to look and perform exactly the way
> > _I_ want it, and if it doesn't then I'm not a satisfied customer."
> Kudos
> > to Peter and the other folks at Duxbury for doing the best job that
> they
> > possibly can.
> >
> > Lissa
> > National Braille Press, Inc.
> >
> > WarrenDFig@xxxxxxx wrote:
> >
> > >In a message dated 7/21/2004 2:25:36 PM Central Standard Time,
> > >jr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> > >That might cause me to be burned at the stake by the BANA people but,
> on
> > >the other hand, maybe not. <grin>
> > >J. R.
> > >I can't remember when BANA held its last execution. I don't think
> there
> are
> > >plans for any in the future--we need to keep all the braille readers
> we
> can.
> > >Sometimes it's BANA members that feel their heads are on the chopping
> block.
> > >It's hard to please braille readers, transcribers, proofreaders,
> rehab
> folks and
> > >educators.
> > >
> > >Warren Figueiredo
> > >APH rep to the BANA board
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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