[duxhelp] Re: Compinline codes

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:31:36 -0400

J. R.,

The BANA folks may jump in at any moment to defend themselves; I'll take a
stab at it first.  I don't think that anybody minds if you make braille for
your own use just as you (or your intended audience) wants.  People who fuss
about BANA rules are only concerned about their own work and other work
intended for publication.

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Westmoreland, J. R.
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:25 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Compinline codes

You're correct I'm not a Certified Transcriber.
I have, so far, only done things for myself and a small group of others in
the technical arena.
I guess in my case I err on the side of the rule that says, "Does it make
sense to the intended audience."
That might cause me to be burned at the stake by the BANA people but, on the
other hand, maybe not. <grin> Having said all that I do, where possible, try
to follow the rules even though some may not make a lot of sense in the
current technical light.

J. R.
 


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PacifiCorp
I/T
Telecomm Data Communications
Phone: (801) 220-4784

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:59 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Compinline codes

J. R.,

It's obvious that you are a braille reader, but not a transcriber.

I won't hazard a guess at how to summarize how to transcribe print to
braille.  Some people figure we should "follow the print".  Others figure we
should "follow the rules".  Often these overlap, but not always.  And the
rules change from country to country.

One rule which you may find interesting is that, here in North America (BANA
territory), one should *not* indicate emphasis when the emphasis is given
because the text is a header.  However, emphasis within a header should be
shown.  I suppose that, if most headers are bold, but one is bold and
italic, then one should show the italic.  But I don't pretend to know for
sure.

DBT "implements" this rule in the Word importer by ignoring bold and italic
when they are part of the definition of a paragraph style.  It works mostly
as people would expect, even though it isn't really a direct implementation
of the rule, which is meaning-oriented not file format oriented.

We try to make the product work for most cases in the way that most
transcribers will want.  In other words, we try to "follow the rules"
more than "follow the print".  But we don't have a pure approach at this
either.

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Westmoreland, J. R.
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:40 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Compinline codes

Maybe this is a dumb question on my part but...
Isn't the transcription of print to braille supposed to be as faithful as
reasonably possible?
Therefore, if the text is unserlined etc. shouldn't it be using the emphasis
indicators for inside the CBC start and end?
This could apply to program code where the keywords are bold etc.
Is there a difference in that interpretation based on nationality
boundaries?

I ask since I have a document where the author specifically does some
hyperlinks in italics and underlined but other hyperlinks are just
unerelined.
I understand that braille doesn't make a distinction between these
combinations, it being treated as eigher on or off in terms of emphasis.

Thanks,
J.R.
 


______________________________
J. R. Westmoreland
PacifiCorp
I/T
Telecomm Data Communications
Phone: (801) 220-4784

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Christine Simpson
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:05 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Compinline codes

Susan, I understand what you are saying in response to my previous post
however, I do not believe that we should need to be altering the Word
hyperlink style.

Surely, DBT can be programmed to ignore the underlining of hyperlink text
when the text is within DBT set in the compinline codes.  By doing as you
suggest and changing the hyperlink style within the Word template would
affect the visual look of all word documents and to my mind, this would be
completely unsatisfactory.

I hope this makes sense to programmers like Peter and Jo.  I will be
interested to hear your responses.

Kind regards

Christine



At 12:49 AM 7/21/04, you wrote:
>DBT is honoring the Word Hyperlink style, which is underlined (but as 
>Christine has said, you don't want the dots 4-6 in braille).
>
>You can modify Word's Hyperlink by removing the underlining. You can 
>also change the font to Courier New (if you have your Word importer set

>up that way), but in reality DBT doesn't even need that for the 
>Hyperlink style. If you want the Word Hyperlink style to be permanently

>changed for all future documents, make sure you check "Add to template"
>after you are done modifying Hyperlink.
>
>Susan
>
>Christine Simpson wrote on 7/20/2004, 5:42 AM:
>
>           Hi All,
>
>I have been trying out the "compinline" code and believe that there 
>still may be an error with it.
>
>Some weeks ago I raised the concern about how it was dealing with text.

>Peter and Jo gave this a lot of time and that problem seems to have 
>been solved.  However,  I note that when text which in word is 
>formatted as a hyperlink  is imported into DBT10.5, it is surrounded by

>the compinline codes - and so it should be.  However, the problem is 
>that the underlining is being shown and so,  a web address which comes 
>from word into DBT comes as:
>
><compinline>[fts~u]www.duxburysystems.com[fte~u]</compinline>
>
>and the web address appears in computer code brackets with dots 4-6 
>(between the opening code and the first w) to indicate the underlined
text.
>
>Is anyone else experiencing this problem?
>
>Many thanks
>
>Christine
>
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