[arachne] Mouse? (was Browser Won't Start In Default Home Page)

  • From: Rob <robo13@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arachne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:57:38 -0600 (CST)

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I just have to ask, why do so many people have such animosity
towards the mouse? When I first learned to use a computer on
XP and win2k my teacher at Community College would get perturbed
that my mouse would be laying on the floor because I took to the
keyboard alot easier. I can definitely get around windo$e without
a mouse, and I don't load a mouse in DOS either. I'm usually in
the CLI in 'nix also, as GUIs don't like me, and I don't like the
resources they use up. But a mouse is just a tool to get a job done.
If it works best for someone, so what? I have watched people move
quite quickly and efficiently around a computer with the mouse.
The mouse has been around alot longer than the PC, having been in
use on mainframes since the mid '60s, so it's not a recent invention.
If someone prefers to use a ratchet wrench and socket as opposed to
a boxend wrench, so what? I don't see why one tool should be
denigrated over another tool, if it gets the job done for someone.
There are people who use a mouse quicker than I can use a keyboard.
I have seen this 'anti mouse' thing on this list and elsewhere on
the internet, but have never heard a real reason for it. Where
does this come from? Why is one computer user considered less than
another computer user, because of his tool of choice. This
'anti mouse' thing almost borders on bigotry. Why?

Just curious, Rob

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On Sun, 29 Oct 2006, Eric S. Emerson wrote:

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Hi Udo,
                  I'd be ROFL if it wasn't so sad that
you get so upset over a homepage issue.
You don't know me as well as you think....
I don't even load a mouse driver on my DOS
Arachne machine....the mouse on that machine
is sitting here covered in dust and I'm not
exagerating.
On my Arachne setup when I press ALT-F1
I get in URL box...file:home.htm which on my
machine is Arachne Desktop.
I refuse to argue over what page is loaded when
you start up Arachne...That depends on a lot of
factors and which version you are using and exactly
what is in your Arachne.cfg....I have found that there
are many opinions about what the user wants to
see shown on screen when Arachne starts.
I run Arachne totally on RAM disk and load it from
floppies. I have mine setup so that the Telnet.apm
is run at startup which loads Telnet and the screen
I see when Arachne is finished loading is the Telnet
APM screen showing that telnet loaded.  Depending
on the core/version that one is using the screen shown
when Arachne startup is finished might be the Dialup
page  or the Desktop page or whatever one may have
inserted in arachne.cfg.  You can have whatever you want....
that's one of Arachne's assets...funny thing...I just tried
and ALT-F10 on my machine right now doesn't do anything.
F10 by itself loads the desktop page, and so does ALT-F1.
In your experience, Arachne may have always finished it's
startup with whatever your default homepage is....in my
experience it has not but I don't really care. I just usually
press "H" and get my Hotlist which I use as my home base
most of the time.
Even my W$IE browser uses a copy of my Arachne Hotlist
as Home.  I use W$doze only because I have no other
viable option at this time...the same as I believe you
do.   I use CTL-L arrow all the time....It is my most used
key combination.  With M$IE   I use ALT-L arrow which
goes back a page.  I only use the mouse on my W$doze
machine when I can't get any key combo to work which
aggravates me and I bitch about it.

I use and love Arachne because it functions perfectly WITHOUT
a mouse.  I find the mouse to just be a nusance, as do many
others who take the time and show the interest to learn
the necessary keystrokes to navigate whatever program mouse-lessly.
I have had friends come up to me unsolicited and tell me
that I was right that after they learned keystokes they stopped
using the mouse.  They used to argue, like you, that the mouse
was better....but....they changed their mind.

Happy computing....enjoy YOUR OWN homepage,

Eric

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:09:53 +0000 "Udo Kuhnt"
<048321887-0001@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
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         What's so hard about pressing ALT-F1 ?
It's a lot harder to find a previous page visited
sometimes. ALT-F1 will always give you the Desktop.

Eric,

the key to display the Arachne Desktop screen is F10, not Alt-F1.
Alt-F1
displays the Arachne homepage, or whatever page you have selected to
be
your default homepage, as every serious Arachne user should know.

Also, it does *not* depend on whether you use a DSL or an analog
modem
whether Arachne displays the homepage, as I know from my 56Kbit
times.
From my experience, Arachne *always* starts at the default homepage,
and
displays an error message if one is not online and the page cannot be
loaded.

Besides, I regard it as pretty selfish of you that you do not want
Arachne to behave like it should just because you do not want to use
the
mouse. I know from your earlier statements in this forum that you are
not the fanatic and mouse-o-phobic DOS user that you pretend to be.
You
use Windows all the time and surf the 'net using a Windows browser,
and
I bet you do it not only with your keyboard.

Arachne is a graphical web browser; from the buttons to the links
everything has been designed to be most easily accessible with a
pointing device like a mouse. Most users would find it awkward to
control everything with the keyboard instead, particularly if they
have
used a browser like Netscape Navigator or Internet Explorer before.
That
Arachne has so many keyboard shortcuts is an added bonus, but it
definetely should not be required to press Alt-F1 on start-up
everytime
just to execute a function that is automatic in all major browsers
for
good reason.

Why do *you* not simply press Ctrl-Left everytime you want to go to
the
previously visited page instead of suggesting that others should
press
Alt-F1 to go to the homepage page?

Udo

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