Barry said "Someone has already pointed out that the chip and signature is a voluntary option," Actually the reason there is chip and signature is because some organisations campaigned for it, on the grounds that there are some people that are not able to use chip and PIN. You also said: "this new gadget is >not. It's either use it with sight, or tough." The fact remains that there is no disadvantage for the blind customer (and not a one person has proven different) just same as there is no disadvantage for the chip and signature. I do however accept some blind people are *unreasonable* with demands.. Regards, Derek e-mail: derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq