Oh go on enlighten him, please =20 Dave and are prepared to compromise on the disabled persons movements interpretation of the social model of disability too! Furthermore your claim that a civil court would accept the banks alternative option as a reasonable adjustment is unfounded, you have no evidence of that whatsoever. It is extremely unlikely that any UK bank would even allow such a challenge to come to court. You have your understanding of what is reasonable, I have mine, and the interpretation of which would stand in a court would be down to the ajudication of a district judge. Let's agree to disagree Derek, you frankly don't understand the UN convention on Human Rights for Disabled people, and as much as I'd like to enlighten you, I fear this isn't the place and I've honestly no inclination to do so! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Response from Lloyds TSB re chip & pin at home > Colin said > "Obviously the principal of being treated at a disadvantage in > respect to the security implications is beyond the simple comprehension of > some on this list!" > > No, some of us just know the meaning of the word "disadvantage" > > Those that cannot use the key pads at home are not being told they cannot > access the same banking services at those that can use the key pads. > They are simply being allowed to carry on accessing the services > same way as now. There is no lower standard of service, there is no > disadvantage to the customer because the bank has guaranteed to cover > for fraud. > > If this case was in court for a DDA judgment the bank would win, > because the bank can show that the blind customers are *not* > at a greater risk, compared to others. > But not one blind person can show different. > All that some can show is that access to the service is being offered > in a different way, but that's not illegal under DDA. > > > Regards, > Derek > > e-mail: derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dunsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dfaq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > >=20 ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dunsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dfaq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq