--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "jrstern" <jrstern@...> wrote: > Oh, sure, any good behaviorist or positivist or Quinian or > probably even a Kripkean, any classical empiricist, is going > to say we get all of our data from the world via physical signals, > in particular via sense impressions, so everything has to come > via observation sentences, yada yada. I've never been able to work out what "sense impressions" are supposed to be. If reading the time on a clock means accessing a physical signal, then fine. But that physical signal would not be there without the clock. And the clock itself is an invention. As far as I can tell, without that invention there would be no physical signal that provides the same information. To me, it makes no sense to talk about discovering patterns in physical signals that come from inventions, unless we also talk about the inventing that makes it possible. My view of learning, is that we are inventing more and better ways of getting information. And, roughly speaking, science works mainly because it has make available so much information that had not previously been available. This is roughly consistent with the perceptual learning studied by E. Gibson. Regards, Neil WEB VIEW: http://tinyurl.com/ku7ga4 TODAY: http://alturl.com/whcf 3 DAYS: http://alturl.com/d9vz 1 WEEK: http://alturl.com/yeza GOOGLE: http://groups.google.com/group/Wittrs YAHOO: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wittrs/ FREELIST: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs/09-2009