Well said, Christy! Ah, and I am guilty, guilty, guilty. Sometimes I feel like I have to = follow myself around with a big club to keep myself in line. /smile/ When I = go back and digest every day with my curly girl and debrief myself and = analyze everything that went right or wrong and how I need to do things better tomorrow, so many people will tell me reassuringly that I shouldn't beat myself up over it... In training, at least, I believe one needs some brutal self-honesty for = the sake of the dog and for your own sake the next day, or the next month, = or 2 years down the line when the mistake you made could come back to bite = you -- or, worse, your hard-working trainee. And when I succeed at zenning out my drive for perfection, it all goes = so much better and Mitzi can just grow and learn and show me how incredible = she is. As they say: Praise the dog; beat the handler. /smile/ Tami Smith-Kinney -----Original Message----- From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of care4k9@xxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:56 AM To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: (VICT) Zair Sandee, It is very tough to train your own assistance dog for the reason = you stated as you go thorugh the emotional rollar coaster. I've seen too = many times people waffle back in forth about their dog, nervous they are not doing things right, but then they do, and then they don't, and then they = do. This is an emotional rollar coaster for the dog too. In the = early training stages they need you to be 100% in confidence in them while = they learn. This isn't a test if they can be the perfect dog, it is the time = to just teach them.=20 A trainer friend of mine and I use to talk about this very thing = all the time and we came up with a slogan of "Leave the F------ dog alone!" Sorry it is crude, but we both realized how much pressure we put on our learning assistance dogs because they are not learning what we want, = when we want and how we want. So not only did we see this in other people, we = saw it in oursevles. I credit this for me going through a lot of my own dogs = not succeeding because the pressure was too great. I did get people = cricizing me for wanting a perfect dog that doesn't exist.=20 Even with that realization, there are times I get depressed = thining the dog isn't going to work out. But when I get away from that and relax = and focus on moving woard, it falls into place. My trainer friend above and another trainer started to beleive that 3 years old is a good age to put = the working stress on the dog, much later than the standard 2 years. This is = why I'm an advocate of not putting too mch stress or work on a dog at a = young age. I know we want our dogs to learn fast when they are yong, but = pacing is good too.=20 Maybe just write out a plan to dissociate your emotions. Keep to = the plan to pace yourself and allow the subject to learn at their own pace. = It will come together.=20 As for the pushy attitude with the other dogs, boundaries need = to be learned. Lots of great lists like clicker solutions, clickerExpo and if = you are a member IAABC or APDT are great lists to learn to teach a dog self control and how to act around other dogs. Many knowledgable flks on = there to learn how to work with pack dynamics.=20 Take a big deep breath and exhale it slowly. You are doing great = and wonderful! It will come together.=20 --- Christy Hill=20 A'Mickey *************** http://home.att.net/~care4k9