Dear Sandy, I don't have a lot to add to the nonverbal cues which have already been posted here, but I often use and prefer them to verbal ones. About three and a half years ago, I had botched thyroid surgery and suffered for a couple of months what you are currently undergoing. I will never forget being in Sacramento trying to testify on a bill, unable to speak at times and also gasping for breath when my pipes collapsed and closed off. I of course was the only one at the table without a working microphone as well. So I can somewhat relate to your unenviable situation, and my heart goes out to you. I think getting Alex to react to nonverbal requests will be a breeze for you, and I wish your return to good health. Sheila Styron, President Guide Dog Users, Inc. 816-363-3172 sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Infinitepaws@xxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:06 AM To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: (VICT) Non-verbal cues-ideas needed. Hi all, I have been off list for a bit because of a new neuro disorder. In a nutshell, my breathing and vocal cord functions are out of sync and it makes me have a hard time breathing because my vocal cords cut off my breath in mid-breath and I make sharp noisy wheezes every 1-3 seconds. It also chops up my talking because of the sudden need to gasp. Probably it is related to my eye spasm disorder but they arent sure. The "reset" mechanism in my brain isnt working right for either problem.. anyhow, that leads me to my next question..one of the treatments they are discussing is to partially paralyze my vocal cords. This will mean that I cannot talk or will have some difficulty talking. Since the drug is only temporary, it will have to be repeated every few months for the rest of my life..causing the voice issue each time. It is scary though because if I react with swelling like I did when they used it around my eyes the last time, it can be life-threatening..we are going to try a trial run on my bad eye on Monday.. Do you all think it would be possible to retrain Alex with some non-verbal cues? What cues do you use verbally and do you have any ideas of how to cue them non-verbally? I am trying hard to maintain my optimism and humor but it is damn hard.. At this point I would choose being non-verbal to the incessant difficulty breathing and the noise ,embarassment of the stridor. People are downright mean sometimes. I have been ridiculed and demeanedthe past two weeks by the public,my coworkers, my primary care Dr, the ER nurses/interns and the public on busses and trains...Public Ignorance is hell for the person who knows what is happening but cant control their own body. I finally told one person, who nastily kept asking me why I kept making that noise and that it was creepy.. "I cant control it and thanks for your show of compassion!".. I hope she stops and thinks next time she is so rude and insensitive. Then again, I am losing my faith in humanity.. cynicism is setting in.. Sandy Foushee Infinite Paws-Abilities Training and Service Dogs Teamed with Alexandra Guide/Service Dog Colorado Service/Assistance Dog Club - Trainer.- ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com