Can I ask what specific problems you had? If possible, can you tell me = what were the group policy settings that required you provide all users with local admin. rights? --Moby They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary = safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was = not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I = was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. -- Pastor Martin Niem=F6ller=20 -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = Behalf Of Tony Lyne (Computerland) Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 15:04 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: NDS and Zenworks Interesting you had no problems. The last implementation that we =3D implemented (now a number of months ago) had numerous issues with the = =3D DLU. To the point where the only was to get GPO's assigned the way the = =3D client wanted was to provide all users with local admin rights on the = =3D terminal servers.=3D20 This is of course ridiculous and Novell Consulting was unable to address = =3D the issue, and basically advised us that the problem was a limitation = =3D with the DLU and wasn't interested in fixing it after that. Anyway the client is now working via a workaround with numerous scripts = =3D and custom code written to get around the problem. One of our Novell Zen consultants is in the middle of doing a PoC on Zen = =3D 4, so Im hoping that Zen 4 is a little more stable and workable than Zen = =3D 3.2. Tony Lyne Senior Systems Engineer=3D20 Computerland Central=3D20 P O Box 1470=3D20 PALMERSTON NORTH Telephone (+64) 06 3537300 Facsimile (+64) 06 3566800 Mobile (+64) 0274 720696 E-mail Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Internet http://www.computerland.co.nz CAUTION: This e-mail message and accompanying data may contain =3D information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are = =3D not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, =3D dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is =3D prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me = =3D immediately and delete all material pertaining to this e-mail. Thank =3D you. =3DA0 -----Original Message----- From: David S=3DE1nchez-Mariscal Molina [mailto:dsanchez@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20 Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 7:51 p.m. To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: NDS and Zenworks Now, we work over a pilot that works fine. 4 servers windows 2000 Sp3 with MTF FR2 1 Novell 6 SP2 120 Thin clients To work with NDS & citrix and no NT domain, we need Zenworks and =3D DLU=3D3D20 policy working. All citrix servers need Novell client 4.83. DLU policy working over this servers in Zenworks. Users Terminal Server profile configure in Zenworks. Nfuse configuring for authenticate over NDS, tree & context. With this components, the farm works fine, such the integration =3D with=3D3D20 Active directory or NT Domain. the only issue was that users in = NDS=3D3D20 was created dinamically in all servers, but use a roaming profile =3D in=3D3D20 a public share in Novell or NT Server. The printes, was accesed =3D with=3D3D20 iprint and all drivers was installed in the 4 MTF servers. When we implement this solution, i no found doc's, white papers =3D with=3D3D20 this solutions, but after a week of problems, we validate this=3D3D20 solution.=3D3D20 I hope this information will help you. > ________________________________ > Fdo: David S=3D3DE1nchez-Mariscal Molina. > (Divisi=3D3DF3n de Sistemas) > REYCOM > (Redes y Comunicaciones) > C/ Alcal=3D3DE1 135, Edificio Reycom * 28009 Madrid > (*:914 261 333 - Fax: 914 261 390) > http://www.reycom.es > *: dsanchez@xxxxxxxxx > ___________________________________ >=3D3D20 -----Mensaje original----- De: Tony Lyne (Computerland) [mailto:Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Enviado el: mi=3D3DE9rcoles, 26 de marzo de 2003 23:40 Para: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Asunto: [THIN] Re: NDS and Zenworks We use Altiris here. In fact Im preparing for a presentation of it to = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D some clients while Im typing.=3D3D3D20 Integrating it with AD can achieve the same results as Zen. Some of my co-workers are Zen CNE's and work with Zen almost every day = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D and are totally blown away with what can be done with Altiris and how = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D easy it is to setup. Ill give you an example. They've just finished a large Zen integration = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D project for a client. It took 3 consultants/engineers to get it working = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D properly over a few days with more support from Novell as there was = =3D3D some =3D3D3D more bugs found with it.=3D3D3D20 Where Ive just finished the M$ equivalent with Altiris and it took 1 = =3D3D day =3D3D3D and worked first shot. The client was so impressed that he has =3D3D purchased =3D3D3D more server licenses of Altiris. I think this speaks for its self. Tony Lyne Senior Systems Engineer=3D3D3D20 Computerland Central=3D3D3D20 P O Box 1470=3D3D3D20 PALMERSTON NORTH Telephone (+64) 06 3537300 Facsimile (+64) 06 3566800 Mobile (+64) 0274 720696 E-mail Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Internet http://www.computerland.co.nz CAUTION: This e-mail message and accompanying data may contain =3D3D3D information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, =3D3D3D dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is = =3D3D3D prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D immediately and delete all material pertaining to this e-mail. Thank = =3D3D =3D3D3D you. =3D3D3DA0 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Lynch [mailto:lynch00@xxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20 Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:17 a.m. To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: NDS and Zenworks =3D3D3D3D20 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Correct. But, according to him, the reason for the move is because the Desktop team is going to use ZenWorks to push out software. My counter to that was either SMS (the next version looks very sweat), Marimba, Intel LANDesk, or Altiris. If they happen to use Symantec Ghost for desktop deployment, then I believe the current version can push out applications from the GhostCast server. Chris - -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tony Lyne (Computerland) Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 2:07 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: NDS and Zenworks On top of that why bother paying for maintenance on 2 different =3D =3D3D3D3D3D platforms. When one (namely M$) will do the job. Tony Lyne Senior Systems Engineer=3D3D3D3D3D20 Computerland Central=3D3D3D3D3D20 P O Box 1470=3D3D3D3D3D20 PALMERSTON NORTH Telephone (+64) 06 3537300 Facsimile (+64) 06 3566800 Mobile (+64) 0274 720696 E-mail Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Internet http://www.computerland.co.nz CAUTION: This e-mail message and accompanying data may contain = =3D3D3D3D3D information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are =3D3D3D3D3D not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me =3D3D3D3D3D immediately and delete all material pertaining to this = =3D3D e-mail. Thank =3D3D3D3D3D you. =3D3D3D3D3DA0 - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Lynch [mailto:lynch00@xxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D3D20 Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:04 a.m. To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: NDS and Zenworks =3D3D3D3D3D3D20 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Exactly. Well put. And I completely agree with everything you have = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D stated here. Chris - - -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D Behalf Of Tony Lyne (Computerland) Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:49 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: NDS and Zenworks The idea of Zen is good but in practice it simply doesn't stack up. As = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D mentioned in a previous email we have done projects with = =3D =3D3D pure =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D Zen and =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D NDS no NT domains on large govt bodies and it = has =3D =3D3D been =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D frustrating. Were finding that a large number of our clients are looking at dropping = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D Netware and Zen, and looking at going to Win2k/ad as it = =3D all =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D integrates =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D much better and costs less to maintain. On top of that I haven't found any of our clients who are satisfied = =3D3D with =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D the support that Novell offer. It is to say at best = =3D3D3D Pathetic!!! Everything that Zen offers can be achieved with tools and add-ons like = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D AD and Altiris at a fraction of the overhead. Tony Lyne Senior Systems Engineer=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 Computerland Central=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 P O Box 1470=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 PALMERSTON NORTH Telephone (+64) 06 3537300 Facsimile (+64) 06 3566800 Mobile (+64) 0274 720696 E-mail Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Internet http://www.computerland.co.nz CAUTION: This e-mail message and accompanying data may contain =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D not the intended recipient, you are notified that any = use, =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D dissemination, distribution or copying of this message = or =3D =3D3D data =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D is =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in = error, =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D please =3D3D3D3D notify me =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D immediately and delete all material pertaining = =3D to =3D3D =3D3D3D this =3D3D3D3D e-mail. Thank =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D you. =3D3D3D3D3D3D3DA0 - - -----Original Message----- From: Moby [mailto:moby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 5:36 a.m. To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: NDS and Zenworks We manage and run an extensive AD, NT domain, eDirectory, and 100K+ = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D desktop nodes with a large presence of Citrix servers = =3D =3D3D thrown =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D in.=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 We are running =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D = =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D ZfD on =3D3D the =3D3D3D Citrix boxes =3D3D3D3D and it has been a =3D3D3D3D3D God send. Our application guys =3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D pretty much only need to =3D3D3D3D3D package =3D3D3D3D3D3D an = application =3D once, =3D3D and =3D3D3D we =3D3D3D3D can use it on =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D desktops and Citrix servers. Managing Windows and NetWare boxes, I can tell you it costs us a lot = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D less to manage the NetWare (5.1 or higher) boxes than = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D Windows.=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 Most of our NW management is done via web = browsers =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D while =3D3D3D3D Windows management requires various MMC snapins and assorted tools. Novell environments can be managed pretty effectively via =3D3D3D3D VBScript.=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D Take a look at =3D3D3D http://developer.novell.com =3D3D3D3D and look for Novell controls for ActiveX. Plenty of examples, plus = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D various ASP scripts that demonstrate customized NDS management via web = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D browsers (although Novell provided web based management tools provide = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D almost all administrative functionality, sometimes you want to "cook = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D your own" to customize for your =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D environment). Also I think Novell's ZfD won the Comdex awards for best desktop = =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D management tools last year. Also take a peak at Zfd = 4, =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D which =3D3D3D3D can do everything =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D that Zfd 3 does and more without = =3D3D requiring =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D the Novell client and it can do it over HTTP(S). - - --Moby They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- = Benjamin =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D3D Franklin First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not = =3D =3D3D a =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because = =3D =3D3D I =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D was =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D not a Communist. Then they came = for =3D the =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D trade =3D3D3D3D unionists and I did not speak out because I =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D was =3D3D3D not a =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one = =3D left =3D3D to =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D speak out for me. - - -- Pastor Martin Niem=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3DF6ller=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 - - -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D Behalf Of Chris Lynch Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:15 To: 'Charlie Fraser' Cc: TheThin. net Subject: [THIN] Re: NDS and Zenworks =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 - - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If your desktop group wants a good application to push out software, = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D then look at Intel LanDesk 6.2. There are other apps out = =3D =3D3D there =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D that =3D3D3D3D3D3D work ALOT better than ZenWorks (Zen it is not). I = know =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D that =3D3D3D3D there is =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D Marimba, and someone made a mention = of =3D =3D3D another =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D application that will =3D3D3D3D3D3D push out software (I believe the = topic =3D =3D3D was =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D pushing software to MetaFrame =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D servers). =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D Hell, try =3D3D3D3D to manage a Novell box, and it's harder to =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D = manage =3D =3D3D than a =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D Windows 2000/2003 server. Also, try to effectively manage =3D3D3D3D3D = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D a =3D3D3D3D Novell environment with WMI or VBScript. Very limited (for very good = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D reasons). =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 Chris - - - -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Fraser =3D [mailto:fraserc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:25 PM To: lynch00@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: [THIN] Re: NDS and Zenworks Chris, Thanks for your interest! My boss hit me with this today. Our = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D desktop management is moving to ZenWorks. My boss feels = that =3D =3D3D if =3D3D3D we =3D3D3D3D can =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D get rid of AD the 2K servers will be = easier to =3D =3D3D manage. =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D Also a Netware =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D saleman got management hot on = the =3D =3D3D idea. I =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D already explained that this =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D will mean a total = =3D =3D3D3D re-engineering =3D3D3D3D of how Citrix is deployed. My boss =3D3D3D3D3D3D wants hard proof = =3D3D3D3D though.=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 Charlie Chris Lynch wrote: =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 - - - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't know where you can get horror stories, I just know from =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D experience, and other case studies. There are case studies on =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D Microsoft's site and NetIQ's site. Both are well done. You need to explain that if you want to go to NDS, you will still have = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D to have an NT domain. Period. You will find = that =3D =3D3D you =3D3D3D will =3D3D3D3D run into =3D3D3D3D3D3D issues if you don't. That is, if your FP servers = =3D =3D3D and =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D other servers that =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D are going to contain data = are =3D not =3D3D =3D3D3D Novell =3D3D3D3D servers. If they are going to =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D be Windows = NT/2000 =3D =3D3D based, =3D3D3D you =3D3D3D3D will have an extreme administrative =3D3D3D3D3D3D overhead. Managing = =3D3D multiple =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D user accounts. Can I ask why management is considering going to NDS and NOT AD? I = =3D3D feel =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D that I could better help you if I knew that. Chris - - - - -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Fraser =3D [mailto:fraserc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:23 PM To: lynch00@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: [THIN] Re: NDS and Zenworks Chris, Management is considering it. We aren't having problems =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D persay.=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 We currently have LDAP, NDS and AD. They want = =3D to =3D3D =3D3D3D look =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D at =3D3D3D3D3D3D getting rid of=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 AD all = together =3D for =3D3D ease of =3D3D3D use =3D3D3D3D and =3D3D3D3D3D consolidation. =3D3D3D3D3D3D I am = gathering=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D =3D3D preliminary =3D3D3D data. =3D3D3D3D I agree that in an existing =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D enviroment a = change =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D at=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 this point will be very costly in =3D3D3D3D3D =3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D time, =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D consulting and learning curve. I=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 have to prove it = now. =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D Any =3D3D3D3D3D3D idea where I can get case studies. =3D horror=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D =3D3D3D3D stories??????? Charlie Chris Lynch wrote: =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 - - - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Why are you getting rid of AD? What problems are you having? I =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D would=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D = never =3D recommend =3D3D ANYONE =3D3D3D going to =3D3D3D3D NDS over AD. Chris - - - - -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 Behalf Of =3D3D3D Charlie =3D3D3D3D Fraser Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:02 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] NDS and Zenworks We are considering getting rid of Active Directory in favor of =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D NDS=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 and=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 use ZenWorks to manage = our =3D =3D3D Citrix =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D server. =3D3D3D3D3D Does =3D3D3D3D3D3D anyone run =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D NDS=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 and =3D3D3D3D or=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 Zenworks now? How much =3D3D3D3D3D of a = =3D3D3D3D3D3D =3D pain =3D3D is it =3D3D3D going =3D3D3D3D to be to=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 transition 6=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 servers = and =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D about =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D 200 users? Thoughts? Opinions? Charlie ******************************************************** This Week's Sponsor - Emergent Online EOL's Universal Printer new Features include: Network Printing, Pagestreaming, 2400 DPI. 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