[TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.

From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:06:07 -0400
Doug,
I wouldn't stand one one foot waiting for the manufacturers to increase
quality and prices.
People want "cheap products". Why do you think Wal-mart is so successful? We
as businessmen have to accept this as our new environment to which we must
adapt or perish.

I always thought that NESDA could have done alot more for the service
industry by working on issues like;
Standardization of warranty proceedures and electronic entry formats.

Standardization of manual distribution format.

Product serviceability (such as all projos should have a rermoveable light
box, etc).

Work with the membership to develop a useful universal, comprehensive
call/claim management system for automating the industry.

Lobby for better rates or better methods of repairing inexpensive items. (
such as not requiring component level repair)

Well, you get the idea...I could go on...

Jim McVey
McVey Alltronix
327 Broadway
Newburgh Ny 12550
ph: 845 561 8383
fx: 845 561 9017
Consumer electronics &
computer service.
Factory authorized for
over twenty brands.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:24 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.


> Al has that right. Basically, we either all stand together or we fall
> apart. How many more guys are going to have to go belly-up before some
> see the writing on the wall? ALL servicing under warranty must stop
> before the manufacturers start getting complaints from former customers.
> We will have to stick together and hit them in the wallet, or they will
> never even look our way. The "every man for himself" attitude has to
> stop or we are ALL doomed! The coalminers and teamsters did it. No
> reason we can't. Get the prices of new back up to where they should be
> and start putting some "QUALITY" back into them. Then people won't mind
> paying more than $25 to get one fixed, if they know they can't run to
> wallyworld and get a new one for $35.
>
> Doug Keller
> Wis-Kel Electronics
> 101 Freeland Ave.
> Terra Alta, WV
> USA        26764
> dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://www.tech-assist.org
> "Learn from the mistakes of others, because you
> won't live long enough to make them all yourself"
>
>
>
>
>
> Al L wrote:
>
> >38 years here talking: We don't have the union mentality because when the
> >chips are down, its always every man for himself,always has been.No
matter
> >what people say,its like that. I help whenever I can, have been burned
often
> >by local guys.NESDA is helpful because we are not competing locally,hence
> >can be helpful and friendly.
> >    Would you really tell the guy next door how to attract more
customers?
> >al
> >
> >Al Leatherman
> >224 RT. 46
> >Mine Hill, NJ 07803
> >973-361-5796
> >WWW.ALS-TV.NET
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:24 PM
> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>True enough, but the manufacturers have a GREAT DEAL of influence since
> >>NESDA owes it's very existence to them.
> >>It's a "service dealers" association in name only. That's why there is
no
> >>"union-like" rhetoric found there.
> >>
> >>Jim McVey
> >>McVey Alltronix
> >>327 Broadway
> >>Newburgh Ny 12550
> >>ph: 845 561 8383
> >>fx: 845 561 9017
> >>Consumer electronics &
> >>computer service.
> >>Factory authorized for
> >>over twenty brands.
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>From: <greentron@xxxxxxx>
> >>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Cc: "Tel-Tek" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:31 PM
> >>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
> >>GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I dont think there is anything left BUT small independent servicers! Th
e
> >>>
> >>>
> >>big guys, not supported by some other big guy, like Sears, and having
> >>captive customers, have pretty much all gone belly up. Just as you cant
> >>squeeze blood out of a stone, you cant squeeze enough money out of
> >>
> >>
> >repairing
> >
> >
> >>consumer electronics to support an organization. I am not aware of ANY
big
> >>service organizations being a member of Nesda. With a total less than a
> >>thousand members, it would be like the tail trying to wag the dog.
> >>
> >>
> >>>J Silverman
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>That's why I said Nesda?
> >>>>I shouldn't knock them...but I don't think they have the Small
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>Independent
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Servicer on their mind. I don't belong..so I will keep my mouth
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>(keyboard)
> >>
> >>
> >>>>shut.
> >>>>
> >>>>-Ed-
> >>>>Tel-Tek Electronics
> >>>>Ontario-Canada
> >>>>teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:02 PM
> >>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
> >>>>GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>NESDA look into something? ??????
> >>>>>NESDA is more "over the hill" than you are! LOL
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jim McVey
> >>>>>McVey Alltronix
> >>>>>327 Broadway
> >>>>>Newburgh Ny 12550
> >>>>>ph: 845 561 8383
> >>>>>fx: 845 561 9017
> >>>>>Consumer electronics &
> >>>>>computer service.
> >>>>>Factory authorized for
> >>>>>over twenty brands.
> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:50 PM
> >>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
> >>>>>GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Other manufacturers are doing about the same thing, lots of new
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>products
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>are exchange only, no parts available, no service manuals
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >available
> >
> >
> >>and
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>once the product is out of warranty the price to exchange it is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >more
> >
> >
> >>>>>>than a new replacement unit. I'm sure there are laws against some
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >of
> >
> >
> >>>>>>this, unfair trade practices, price fixing, etc. but I'm too far
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>over
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>the hill to really give a damn. Maybe some organization like NESDA
> >>>>>>should be looking into it. Maybe they are, does anyone know?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
>
>***************************************************************************
*
> >
> >
> >>>>>***************************************
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Since 1972
> >>>>>>Jim Myers
> >>>>>>Telrad Electronics
> >>>>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Ed Gaidies wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Whole new Rip-Off.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>-Ed-
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Tel-Tek Electronics
> >>>>>>>Ontario-Canada
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>>>From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:08 PM
> >>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>Plasma
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Is that all? Only a grand? I figured it would be more when they
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>wanted
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>$300 just to reload windows. (you need their "secret code" to
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>unlock
> >>
> >>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>cmos and it must be so classified that they can't tell you over
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>phone, by email, or snail-mail)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Doug Keller
> >>>>>>>>Wis-Kel Electronics
> >>>>>>>>101 Freeland Ave.
> >>>>>>>>Terra Alta, WV
> >>>>>>>>USA        26764
> >>>>>>>>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>http://www.tech-assist.org
> >>>>>>>>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you
> >>>>>>>>won't live long enough to make them all yourself"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Jim Myers wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Gateway refuses to sell parts even with pressure from the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>customer.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>Return set to customer, Gateway will send someone to fix it for
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >a
> >
> >
> >>>>cool
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>$1000.00.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
>
>>>*************************************************************************
*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>*
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>****************************************
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Since 1972
> >>>>>>>>>Jim Myers
> >>>>>>>>>Telrad Electronics
> >>>>>>>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Jim Myers wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>The voltage goes to zero with the sensor removed. There is no
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>pullup
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>resistor so I'm pretty sure the IC is the problem. I'll try
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>Zenith
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>next
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>week, maybe the have a similar model.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>************************************************************************
*
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>*
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>*****************************************
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Since 1972
> >>>>>>>>>>Jim Myers
> >>>>>>>>>>Telrad Electronics
> >>>>>>>>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>greentron@xxxxxxx wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Do you measure a low resistance to ground on the sensor
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >output
> >
> >
> >>>>lead?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Does the voltage on that lead go up to 5 (or maybe 3) volts
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>with
> >>
> >>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>sensor removed? Is there a pull-up resistor?
> >>>>>>>>>>>J Silverman
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Tried a different IR sensor, no help, still just three
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >tenths
> >
> >
> >>of a
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>volt on the output pin and ity-bitty pulses from the remote.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >I
> >
> >
> >>>>>traced
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>the IR path to IC U4 which is an 80 pin surface mount square
> >>>>>>>>>>>>flatpack, goes to pin 80. Number on U4 is 6413079F18 and it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >is
> >
> >
> >>on
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>board with 2 15 pin VGA, 1 9 pin serial and a flat panel
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>monitor
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>connector. Any information on where to get the ic or the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>board?
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>**********************************************************************
*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>*
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>********
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>***********************************
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Since 1972
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Jim Myers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Telrad Electronics
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Scott Beebe wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hello Jim,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>If you take out the IR sensor, then that would rule out the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>receiver. But it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>sounds like a micro problem to me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanx,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Scott Beebe
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Ohm Electronics Inc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>609 W. Clinton St.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Ithaca NY 14850
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Voice: (607) 273-8406
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Fax: (607) 273-8743
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>WWW.OhmElectronicsInc.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>mailto:Scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Wednesday, March 31, 2004, 3:57:48 PM, you wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> Are technical questions still allowed?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> This Gateway GTW-P42M102 has a sticker on the inside
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>that
> >>
> >>
> >>>>says
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>it is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> LG model PDP42WVSN3. The owner says a worker at the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>office
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>caused a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> static spark when she reached for the buttons on the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>front,
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>now
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>it has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> the menu displayed over the picture all the time with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>cursor bar
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> scrolling up over and over. Also the remote no longer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>works.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>The wire
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> from the remote receiver at the connector has three
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>tenths
> >>
> >>
> >>>>of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>volt and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> very low amplitude pulses when the remote is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >activated.
> >
> >
> >>The
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>end
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wire on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> this 6 pin connector has 5 volts. Sounds like the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >micro
> >
> >
> >>or
> >>
> >>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>IR
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> receiver got zapped but if anyone has service manual
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >or
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>information on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> this a little help would be nice.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>**********************************************************************
*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>*
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>********
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>***********************************
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> Since 1972
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> Jim Myers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> Telrad Electronics
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
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