[TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.

  • From: "Technotronic Dimensions" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:31:37 -0400

Jeff::

       My Expectations of NESDA were alot higher than what my actual
experience with them was. I suppose the main reason I lost interest was the
Parts_Link proposal I offered. Not so much as a "Thanks Anyway." from them -
Which was quite against the normal Business ettiquette I am use to when I
deal with just about any Company or Group, either in the USA or not. Some
NESDA members actually thought I was angry or had a grudge against them
resulting from this. It does sort of project a bit of an "Eliteist" attitude
I suppose....I mean I could Understand if I asked for help Fixing a TV from
them or something, then the cold Shoulder would be expected and understood.

      Its just a shame they could not see the benefit attained by broadening
the Parts Resources to their Members by teaming up with my group somehow. I
figure the Way this industry has its ups and downs it would be an asset to
have more sources with the way NLA Parts keep increasing every year.

Steve Hearns
Technotronic Dimensions, NY [USA]
WWW.TECHNOTRONIC-DIMENSIONS.COM
1-877-817-9885 (Voice / Fax Toll Free - US Only)




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Intrepid Video Support" <support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:30 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.


This is not a subject that needs to be discussed on this list.
Anyone interested can get more information at
http://nesda.com/servicers/benefits.html.
I must say, I have built relationships with many of the members of NESDA and
some have gone above and
beyond what they have needed to do for me....from personal phone calls, to
certain contacts they had, that
I didn't.
This link lists many, but not all the benefits..instead of listening to one
or two "OPINIONS", anyone can
find out for themselves without any obligation or risks.
Any organization is only as good as it's members and as good as it's members
will let it get..
I feel the same about this list...many, many people go above and beyond and
I try to show my appreciation
as much as possible.
And, for those that do not "have the time to help others", don't you think
if you can find the time to
post for help, you could find 10 minutes to go through the posts (browsing
the subject lines)and see where
you may be able to 'return the favor'.
As they say...soap box off..

Jeff Dougherty
Intrepid Video TV/VCR
263 S Front St
Steelton PA 17113
ph..717-939-7708 fax...717-564-4952
www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy
enough people to make it worth the
effort.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:18 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.


Al,
What happens when the guy next door joins as well?
I don't know if it's really possible to attract individual customers in this
business.
They need you when they need you, otherwise the servicer is a non-entity.
The usual retail type techniques are too inefficient for us since we cannot
generate "impulse buy" interest.

As you say, it IS every man for himself! You are a wise man not to share
your promotional ideas with a competitor, it can only come back to bite you.
However, what does NESDA do other than collect dues and throw a party?
All their "programs" can be found elsewhere as well.

If you enjoy the convention and veteran member cliques, then I suppose it's
worth it for you. I was more interested in improving the lot of the service
business in the US (and Canada). I didn't fit in.
Hey, it's all about choices! To each his own...

Jim McVey
McVey Alltronix
327 Broadway
Newburgh Ny 12550
ph: 845 561 8383
fx: 845 561 9017
Consumer electronics &
computer service.
Factory authorized for
over twenty brands.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Al L" <alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:17 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.


> 38 years here talking: We don't have the union mentality because when the
> chips are down, its always every man for himself,always has been.No matter
> what people say,its like that. I help whenever I can, have been burned
often
> by local guys.NESDA is helpful because we are not competing locally,hence
> can be helpful and friendly.
>     Would you really tell the guy next door how to attract more customers?
> al
>
> Al Leatherman
> 224 RT. 46
> Mine Hill, NJ 07803
> 973-361-5796
> WWW.ALS-TV.NET
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:24 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>
>
> > True enough, but the manufacturers have a GREAT DEAL of influence since
> > NESDA owes it's very existence to them.
> > It's a "service dealers" association in name only. That's why there is
no
> > "union-like" rhetoric found there.
> >
> > Jim McVey
> > McVey Alltronix
> > 327 Broadway
> > Newburgh Ny 12550
> > ph: 845 561 8383
> > fx: 845 561 9017
> > Consumer electronics &
> > computer service.
> > Factory authorized for
> > over twenty brands.
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <greentron@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: "Tel-Tek" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:31 PM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
> > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> >
> >
> > > I dont think there is anything left BUT small independent servicers!
The
> > big guys, not supported by some other big guy, like Sears, and having
> > captive customers, have pretty much all gone belly up. Just as you cant
> > squeeze blood out of a stone, you cant squeeze enough money out of
> repairing
> > consumer electronics to support an organization. I am not aware of ANY
big
> > service organizations being a member of Nesda. With a total less than a
> > thousand members, it would be like the tail trying to wag the dog.
> > > J Silverman
> > >
> > >
> > > > That's why I said Nesda?
> > > > I shouldn't knock them...but I don't think they have the Small
> > Independent
> > > > Servicer on their mind. I don't belong..so I will keep my mouth
> > (keyboard)
> > > > shut.
> > > >
> > > > -Ed-
> > > > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > > Ontario-Canada
> > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:02 PM
> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
> > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > NESDA look into something? ??????
> > > > > NESDA is more "over the hill" than you are! LOL
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim McVey
> > > > > McVey Alltronix
> > > > > 327 Broadway
> > > > > Newburgh Ny 12550
> > > > > ph: 845 561 8383
> > > > > fx: 845 561 9017
> > > > > Consumer electronics &
> > > > > computer service.
> > > > > Factory authorized for
> > > > > over twenty brands.
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:50 PM
> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway
Plasma
> > > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Other manufacturers are doing about the same thing, lots of new
> > products
> > > > > > are exchange only, no parts available, no service manuals
> available
> > and
> > > > > > once the product is out of warranty the price to exchange it is
> more
> > > > > > than a new replacement unit. I'm sure there are laws against
some
> of
> > > > > > this, unfair trade practices, price fixing, etc. but I'm too far
> > over
> > > > > > the hill to really give a damn. Maybe some organization like
NESDA
> > > > > > should be looking into it. Maybe they are, does anyone know?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
****************************************************************************
> > > > > ***************************************
> > > > > > Since 1972
> > > > > > Jim Myers
> > > > > > Telrad Electronics
> > > > > > Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed Gaidies wrote:
> > > > > > > Whole new Rip-Off.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Ed-
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > > > > > Ontario-Canada
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > > From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:08 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway
> > Plasma
> > > > > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>Is that all? Only a grand? I figured it would be more when
they
> > wanted
> > > > > > >>$300 just to reload windows. (you need their "secret code" to
> > unlock
> > > > the
> > > > > > >>cmos and it must be so classified that they can't tell you
over
> > the
> > > > > > >>phone, by email, or snail-mail)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Doug Keller
> > > > > > >>Wis-Kel Electronics
> > > > > > >>101 Freeland Ave.
> > > > > > >>Terra Alta, WV
> > > > > > >>USA        26764
> > > > > > >>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >>http://www.tech-assist.org
> > > > > > >>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you
> > > > > > >>won't live long enough to make them all yourself"
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Jim Myers wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>>Gateway refuses to sell parts even with pressure from the
> > customer.
> > > > > > >>>Return set to customer, Gateway will send someone to fix it
for
> a
> > > > cool
> > > > > > >>>$1000.00.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
>>**************************************************************************
> > > > > *
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ****************************************
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>>Since 1972
> > > > > > >>>Jim Myers
> > > > > > >>>Telrad Electronics
> > > > > > >>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>Jim Myers wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>The voltage goes to zero with the sensor removed. There is
no
> > pullup
> > > > > > >>>>resistor so I'm pretty sure the IC is the problem. I'll try
> > Zenith
> > > > > next
> > > > > > >>>>week, maybe the have a similar model.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
>>>*************************************************************************
> > > > > *
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *****************************************
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>>>Since 1972
> > > > > > >>>>Jim Myers
> > > > > > >>>>Telrad Electronics
> > > > > > >>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>greentron@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>Do you measure a low resistance to ground on the sensor
> output
> > > > lead?
> > > > > > >>>>>Does the voltage on that lead go up to 5 (or maybe 3) volts
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > >>>>>sensor removed? Is there a pull-up resistor?
> > > > > > >>>>>J Silverman
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>Tried a different IR sensor, no help, still just three
> tenths
> > of a
> > > > > > >>>>>>volt on the output pin and ity-bitty pulses from the
remote.
> I
> > > > > traced
> > > > > > >>>>>>the IR path to IC U4 which is an 80 pin surface mount
square
> > > > > > >>>>>>flatpack, goes to pin 80. Number on U4 is 6413079F18 and
it
> is
> > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >>>>>>board with 2 15 pin VGA, 1 9 pin serial and a flat panel
> > monitor
> > > > > > >>>>>>connector. Any information on where to get the ic or the
> > board?
> > > > > > >>>>>>Thanks,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
>>>>>***********************************************************************
> > > > > *
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ********
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>>>>>***********************************
> > > > > > >>>>>>Since 1972
> > > > > > >>>>>>Jim Myers
> > > > > > >>>>>>Telrad Electronics
> > > > > > >>>>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>Scott Beebe wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Hello Jim,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>If you take out the IR sensor, then that would rule out
the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>receiver. But it
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>sounds like a micro problem to me.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Thanx,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Scott Beebe
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Ohm Electronics Inc.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>609 W. Clinton St.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Ithaca NY 14850
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Voice: (607) 273-8406
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Fax: (607) 273-8743
> > > > > > >>>>>>>WWW.OhmElectronicsInc.com
> > > > > > >>>>>>>mailto:Scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Wednesday, March 31, 2004, 3:57:48 PM, you wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Are technical questions still allowed?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> This Gateway GTW-P42M102 has a sticker on the inside
> > that
> > > > says
> > > > > > >>>>>>>it is a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> LG model PDP42WVSN3. The owner says a worker at the
> > office
> > > > > > >>>>>>>caused a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> static spark when she reached for the buttons on the
> > front,
> > > > > now
> > > > > > >>>>>>>it has
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> the menu displayed over the picture all the time
with
> > the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>cursor bar
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> scrolling up over and over. Also the remote no
longer
> > works.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>The wire
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> from the remote receiver at the connector has three
> > tenths
> > > > of
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>volt and
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> very low amplitude pulses when the remote is
> activated.
> > The
> > > > > end
> > > > > > >>>>>>>wire on
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> this 6 pin connector has 5 volts. Sounds like the
> micro
> > or
> > > > the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > IR
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> receiver got zapped but if anyone has service manual
> or
> > > > > > >>>>>>>information on
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> this a little help would be nice.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
>>>>>***********************************************************************
> > > > > *
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ********
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>>>>>***********************************
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Since 1972
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Jim Myers
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Telrad Electronics
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
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