[TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Alliance).
- From: Paul <dntwntv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:41:34 -0700 (PDT)
Wrong Mc Vey,
He lives in Texas next to the Mexican border.
Paul
becyn <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
HEY!
You live in Wyoming! Dump the Tv repair and become a cowboy. At least
they get to EAT by the campfire...
Jim McVey
McVey Alltronix
327 Broadway
Newburgh N.Y. 12550
"If it doesn't play...
CALL MCVEY !!!!!!"
Factory authorized
service for over 20
major brands.
845 561 8383
(Last of the Mohegans)
daryls_tv@xxxxxxx wrote:
>As far as SS goes, it certainly looks like it is dried up for me.
>In a few months I would have been eligible to draw SS. To my disappointmen=
>t, It won't hardly be worth my time to try to go get it. The measly amount=
> won't even buy a weeks worth of groceries. At least for me, there will no=
>t be any retirement for me. It is too late at this stage of the game to tr=
>y to get into another field of work. I will have to work until I drop or t=
>he second coming. My only hope is this TV repair business with turn around=
> and start producing a living (well, I can still hope and dream, can't I?).=
> When these large wanna be companies run the little guy out of business, w=
>here does the little guy go? They don't give a rat's a** who they crush.=
>=20=20
>I wouldn't qualify for unemployment and not be able to get a job because of=
> age. Been there done that!
>Now back to the loosing dogs :-(
>Daryl
>Daryl's TV
>2402 Wyoming Ave.
>El Paso, TX 79903
>915-565-9184 Voice/Fax
>daryls_tv@xxxxxxx
>www.angelfire.com/tv2/daryls_tv
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Myers"
>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Alliance).
>Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:30:31 -0500
>
>
>
>>=20
>>"and also threatening to take away social security."
>>=20
>>Now where did you get that idea? You and I will be long gone before SS
>>dries up, But it WILL dry up for our grand children no matter what plan
>>they use.
>>=20
>>=20
>>********************************
>>Since 1972 *
>>Jim Myers *
>>Telrad Electronics *
>>Fort Wayne Indiana *
>>********************************
>>=20
>>=20
>>larry wrote:
>>
>>
>>>hi Leonard,
>>>Glad to hear it is good some where in this country.
>>>In small town, ohio. it is looking bad.
>>>many unemployed and now running out of unemployment insurance help.
>>>this town is 30k, and about a dozen well to do, in the bunch.
>>>lol
>>>WalMart is packed though.
>>>I agree I see nothing i can do to change the big picture.
>>>So I wine about our fate.
>>>I cant help feeling betrayed by the people in charge , when i=20
>>>spent my whole life learning tv repair,
>>>and at 60 telling me to re-train. and also threatening to take=20
>>>away social security.
>>>It just isnt the dream i had planed for my retirement years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Schneider TV & Electronic Inc.
>>>5415 N. Wooster ave.
>>>Dover, Ohio 44622 www.geocities.com/schntv2000/
>>>330-343-0768 FCC. first class & Extra class K8WLY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Leonard Caillouet wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>What do you propose to do? Maybe we should pass a law banning Wal-Mar=
>>>>
>>>>
>t and
>
>
>>>>NSA. I hear lots of bitching and moaning about how bad things are, bu=
>>>>
>>>>
>t just
>
>
>>>>what can you do to change it? If you have to move or re-orient your
>>>>business, or re-train yourself to another field, or teach, or go to wo=
>>>>
>>>>
>rk for
>
>
>>>>someone else, then do so. You will not keep NSA and other service
>>>>operations from happening with a few dozen or even a few hundred techs
>>>>complaining if someone thinks that they can make some $$ with them.
>>>>
>>>>The economy does not owe you an unchanging market for your service. Y=
>>>>
>>>>
>ou
>
>
>>>>have to be able to adapt to survive.
>>>>
>>>>We focus on high end customers interested in custom home installations=
>>>>
>>>>
>, mid
>
>
>>>>to high end products, and reliable, effective service support. In a m=
>>>>
>>>>
>arket
>
>
>>>>area of about 100K there is one other dealer/servicer like us, and sev=
>>>>
>>>>
>eral
>
>
>>>>shops. We coexist with the Best Buys, Sears, etc, as well as with Dec=
>>>>
>>>>
>ision
>
>
>>>>One and UPS. The other dealer like us is taking on regional warranty
>>>>support for a number of brands while we stick with servicing only what=
>>>>
>>>>
> we
>
>
>>>>sell for warranty work and do non-warranty work for most brands.
>>>>
>>>>If the market changes to the point that we cannot find our place in it=
>>>>
>>>>
> and
>
>
>>>>make a decent living while getting some satisfaction from the work, I =
>>>>
>>>>
>will
>
>
>>>>find something else to do. I just don't see it happening any time soo=
>>>>
>>>>
>n, but
>
>
>>>>if it does, I am ready for the next challenge. Success is about findi=
>>>>
>>>>
>ng a
>
>
>>>>way to make things work and doing what you have to do.
>>>>
>>>>Leonard
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "LeRoy Westlund"
>>>>To: "TechAssist"
>>>>Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 12:26 AM
>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] NSA (National Service Alliance).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What is it about Florida, anyway,...that all the servicers down that w=
>>>>
>>>>
>ay
>
>
>>>>seem to always have more business then they can handle. I see many oth=
>>>>
>>>>
>er
>
>
>>>>parts of the country, that are struggling just like I am ?
>>>>
>>>>With the exception of most of the big city shops, people in other smal=
>>>>
>>>>
>ler
>
>
>>>>markets seem to hardly have enough of the high end stuff, to keep thier
>>>>doors open. We are already experiencing the slowdown that is sure to g=
>>>>
>>>>
>et
>
>
>>>>worse, with the introduction of an NSA into the service industry.
>>>>
>>>>We can't all move to Florida, or a major city in another state.
>>>>This has not been necessary in past years, and shouldn't be necassary =
>>>>
>>>>
>in the
>
>
>>>>future,...but,...that's exactly where things are headed. Consumers wil=
>>>>
>>>>
>l have
>
>
>>>>to travel 100 miles or more to find one of these regional service prov=
>>>>
>>>>
>iders
>
>
>>>>that you are talking about.
>>>>
>>>>This is a BIG country,...and there is more to it then just having 500 =
>>>>
>>>>
>or so
>
>
>>>>service centers scattered about with about 10 in each state. We are al=
>>>>
>>>>
>ready
>
>
>>>>down to about 7,000 service centers. If 6,500 of them close thier door=
>>>>
>>>>
>s,
>
>
>>>>many of the best, and most experienced technicians, will be looking fo=
>>>>
>>>>
>r a
>
>
>>>>job at the existing 500 service centers.
>>>>I guess you expect to be one of the surviving 500 ?
>>>>
>>>>LLW
>>>>
>>>>LeRoy Westlund
>>>>Westlund TV & Electronics
>>>>97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,..
>>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget "
>>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
>>>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Leonard Caillouet
>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:44 PM
>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Association).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Exactly how am I doomed?
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually, I think the NSA project is likely to be a spectacular start=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>-up
>
>
>>>>>followed by a quick decline. They may secure some initially lucrative
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>deals
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>with some manufacturers then they will get squeezed to reduce costs j=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>ust as
>
>
>>>>>they are experiencing the pains of any growing business. As affiliat=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>es
>
>
>>>>>figure out that they can do better in their own ventures they will be=
>>>>>
>>>>>
> left
>
>
>>>>>with few experienced technicians just as they are having to become mo=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>re
>
>
>>>>>efficient to survive. Then the principles will sell out, the buyers =
>>>>>
>>>>>
>will
>
>
>>>>>discover an empty shell, and it will be history. The initial invest=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>ors
>
>
>>>>>that get out soon enough will be the only ones that make anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>The key to success in the service business will always be the skill o=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>f the
>
>
>>>>>technician and large operations are rarely able to manage them effect=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>ively.
>
>
>>>>>The mid-sized service operation is the only level at which the indust=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>ry
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>will
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>ever be able to operate efficiently for products other than carry-in =
>>>>>
>>>>>
>items
>
>
>>>>>that can easily be shipped to plants with enough volume to have monke=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>ys
>
>
>>>>>repairing the same piece over and over. The money in the service bus=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>iness
>
>
>>>>>is in the larger pieces that UPS and companies like United Radio will=
>>>>>
>>>>>
> not
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>be
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>able to deal with. That stuff, along with installation, programming,=
>>>>>
>>>>>
> and
>
>
>>>>>custom support will necessarily be done best by smaller, more stable
>>>>>businesses that do not treat clients and products as commodities.
>>>>>
>>>>>I also think a lot of one man shops will go away in favor of more eff=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>icient
>
>
>>>>>slightly larger, but local and regional servicers. Some of us who are
>>>>>carefully defining our markets and are efficient will grow and surviv=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>e.
>
>
>>>>>Perhaps you should be looking for a new business model if things are =
>>>>>
>>>>>
>so
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>bad.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Leonard Caillouet
>>>>>Electronics World
>>>>>1261 NW 76 Blvd
>>>>>Gainesville, FL 32606
>>>>>352-332-5608
>>>>>FAX 352-332-5668
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "LeRoy Westlund"
>>>>>To:
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:05 PM
>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Association).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And just how long do you plan on making this so called profit ?
>>>>>Your lively hood is in jeopardy,...and you don't even realize it,...u=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>nless
>
>
>>>>>you plan on joining up with the elete, you will be doomed, just like =
>>>>>
>>>>>
>the
>
>
>>>>>rest of us.
>>>>>
>>>>>IMO,
>>>>>LLW
>>>>>
>>>>>LeRoy Westlund
>>>>>Westlund TV & Electronics
>>>>>97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,..
>>>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget "
>>>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
>>>>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Leonard Caillouet
>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:32 PM
>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Association).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't support NSA. I just concern myself with things that I can
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>control,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>like understanding how to make a profit in my market and focusing on=
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> doing
>
>
>>>>>>things better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Leonard G. Caillouet
>>>>>>Electronics World
>>>>>>1261 NW 76 Blvd
>>>>>>Gainesville, FL 32606
>>>>>>352-332-5608
>>>>>>352-332-5668 FAX
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "LeRoy Westlund"
>>>>>>To:
>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:11 PM
>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] NSA (National Service Association).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Perry,
>>>>>>There is no need to stop helping each other, just because of this
>>>>>>discussion.
>>>>>>It was not my intent to cause hard feelings with each other.
>>>>>>Don't take it so personal. We only want to find ways to stop the NSA
>>>>>>movement, even though there seems to be a few that do support it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am willing to here the other side of the coin.
>>>>>>Why do you seem to support the NSA, and don't let it worry you ?
>>>>>>Leonard,..or anyone else ? This is an open discussion,...NOT a bashi=
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>ng
>
>
>>>>>>session.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>LLW
>>>>>>
>>>>>>LeRoy Westlund
>>>>>>Westlund TV & Electronics
>>>>>>97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,..
>>>>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget "
>>>>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
>>>>>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: Electric Medic
>>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 12:36 PM
>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urgen=
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>t News
>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>NSA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Leonard: What are you saying? It's not about fair competition, I co=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>mpete
>
>
>>>>>>>everyday. It's about us sticking together to help each other surviv=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>e, not
>
>
>>>>>>>taking up for these "savvy" business people. It's about some perso=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>n in a
>
>
>>>>>>>Van next door taking our business and us providing tech help to the=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>m and
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>knowing. If I didn't know better I would think you were this myster=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>ious
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>man!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I see you have no problem being on this list helping or getting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't care how "savvy" this person may be, he doesn't know it all=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>. So
>
>
>>>>>>>everyone on here, I will not be providing anymore tech help until I=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
> know
>
>
>>>>>>>where the enemies are! Maybe you could care less, but what if many =
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>did
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Heck, not getting one tip hurts us all. At least we don't have to h=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>elp
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>this
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>savvy businessman and his buddies and not waste our time helping ot=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>hers
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>rob us. Hey knowledge is power too, and we all discover a new Tech =
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>Tip
>
>
>>>>>>>everyday, I used to share a Tip of the day, but..I have learned, no=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>t to
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>do
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>that anymore. I have also decided not to put Tips in WinStips or an=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>y Tip
>
>
>>>>>>>program or Archive. If we all did this, and these people all would =
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>have
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>invent the wheel, they wouldn't get to far. All it does is hurt the=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
> whole
>
>
>>>>>>>group when many of us are forced to hoard information, but if that =
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>is the
>
>
>>>>>>>only way I can fight it, I will.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Perry Bower
>>>>>>>Electric Medic
>>>>>>>"It's Cheaper to Keep Her"
>>>>>>>http://www.electricmedic.com
>>>>>>>3850 Washington Road Suite 4C
>>>>>>>Martinez, Georgia 30907
>>>>>>>Phone: 706-8MEDIC4 (863-3424)
>>>>>>>Phone: 706-863-3474
>>>>>>>Fax: 706-863-2316
>>>>>>>mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Leonard Caillo=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>uet
>
>
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:02 PM
>>>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urge=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>nt
>
>
>>>>>>>News / NSA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Probably because he is a savy businessman and does not waste his ti=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>me
>
>
>>>>>>>complaining about how the service market is changing but does somet=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>hing
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>position himself to be more successful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Grow up guys. This is business. If you can't compete do something =
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>else
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>go to work for someone who can. I don't recall anything in the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Constitution
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>that assures that independent servicers have a right to a part of t=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>he
>
>
>>>>>>>market.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Leonard G. Caillouet
>>>>>>>Electronics World
>>>>>>>1261 NW 76 Blvd
>>>>>>>Gainesville, FL 32606
>>>>>>>352-332-5608
>>>>>>>352-332-5668 FAX
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Electric Medic"
>>>>>>>To:
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:05 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urge=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>nt
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>News
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>NSA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How could one man or TV Shop owner have that much power over all th=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>e rest
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>us? We outnumber him many times over. What makes him so special tha=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>t he
>
>
>>>>>>>could change the repair business as we know it and take customers f=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>rom us
>
>
>>>>>>>locally? How does he find the time or the money? Most of us can bar=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>ely
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>make
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>ends meet and that is with tons of business. I would just like to k=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>now
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Perry Bower
>>>>>>>Electric Medic
>>>>>>>"It's Cheaper to Keep Her"
>>>>>>>http://www.electricmedic.com
>>>>>>>3850 Washington Road Suite 4C
>>>>>>>Martinez, Georgia 30907
>>>>>>>Phone: 706-8MEDIC4 (863-3424)
>>>>>>>Phone: 706-863-3474
>>>>>>>Fax: 706-863-2316
>>>>>>>mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of LeRoy Westlund
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:20 PM
>>>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urgent N=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>ews /
>
>
>>>>>>>NSA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>OK,...I hope I don't get in trouble,...but,..here is my solution.
>>>>>>>In my opinion,..there is ONLY one man who can stop it,...and I'll
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>withhold
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>his name, until it becomes necessary to provide it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He s a prominent member of NESDA.
>>>>>>>He needs to be approuched by the members of this list, that "oppose=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>" to
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>formation of NSA. NOT just by the few renegade members that are get=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>ting a
>
>
>>>>>>>bad reputation on NESDA from trying thier best to fight back,...but=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>,...by
>
>
>>>>>>>recruiting some of the other members that are opposed, but have been
>>>>>>>silently letting them do thier dirty work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You can't recruit them on NESDA, because they won't allow freedom of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>speech
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>on the NesdaNet. So recruit as many members of the TechAssist group=
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