[TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Alliance).
- From: daryls_tv@xxxxxxx
- To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 15:31:28 -0600
As far as SS goes, it certainly looks like it is dried up for me.
In a few months I would have been eligible to draw SS. To my disappointmen=
t, It won't hardly be worth my time to try to go get it. The measly amount=
won't even buy a weeks worth of groceries. At least for me, there will no=
t be any retirement for me. It is too late at this stage of the game to tr=
y to get into another field of work. I will have to work until I drop or t=
he second coming. My only hope is this TV repair business with turn around=
and start producing a living (well, I can still hope and dream, can't I?).=
When these large wanna be companies run the little guy out of business, w=
here does the little guy go? They don't give a rat's a** who they crush.=
=20=20
I wouldn't qualify for unemployment and not be able to get a job because of=
age. Been there done that!
Now back to the loosing dogs :-(
Daryl
Daryl's TV
2402 Wyoming Ave.
El Paso, TX 79903
915-565-9184 Voice/Fax
daryls_tv@xxxxxxx
www.angelfire.com/tv2/daryls_tv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Alliance).
Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:30:31 -0500
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> "and also threatening to take away social security."
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> Now where did you get that idea? You and I will be long gone before SS
> dries up, But it WILL dry up for our grand children no matter what plan
> they use.
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> ********************************
> Since 1972 *
> Jim Myers *
> Telrad Electronics *
> Fort Wayne Indiana *
> ********************************
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> larry wrote:
> > hi Leonard,
> > Glad to hear it is good some where in this country.
> > In small town, ohio. it is looking bad.
> > many unemployed and now running out of unemployment insurance help.
> > this town is 30k, and about a dozen well to do, in the bunch.
> > lol
> > WalMart is packed though.
> > I agree I see nothing i can do to change the big picture.
> > So I wine about our fate.
> > I cant help feeling betrayed by the people in charge , when i=20
> > spent my whole life learning tv repair,
> > and at 60 telling me to re-train. and also threatening to take=20
> > away social security.
> > It just isnt the dream i had planed for my retirement years.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Schneider TV & Electronic Inc.
> > 5415 N. Wooster ave.
> > Dover, Ohio 44622 www.geocities.com/schntv2000/
> > 330-343-0768 FCC. first class & Extra class K8WLY
> >
> >
> >
> > Leonard Caillouet wrote:
> >
> >
> >> What do you propose to do? Maybe we should pass a law banning Wal-Mar=
t and
> >> NSA. I hear lots of bitching and moaning about how bad things are, bu=
t just
> >> what can you do to change it? If you have to move or re-orient your
> >> business, or re-train yourself to another field, or teach, or go to wo=
rk for
> >> someone else, then do so. You will not keep NSA and other service
> >> operations from happening with a few dozen or even a few hundred techs
> >> complaining if someone thinks that they can make some $$ with them.
> >>
> >> The economy does not owe you an unchanging market for your service. Y=
ou
> >> have to be able to adapt to survive.
> >>
> >> We focus on high end customers interested in custom home installations=
, mid
> >> to high end products, and reliable, effective service support. In a m=
arket
> >> area of about 100K there is one other dealer/servicer like us, and sev=
eral
> >> shops. We coexist with the Best Buys, Sears, etc, as well as with Dec=
ision
> >> One and UPS. The other dealer like us is taking on regional warranty
> >> support for a number of brands while we stick with servicing only what=
we
> >> sell for warranty work and do non-warranty work for most brands.
> >>
> >> If the market changes to the point that we cannot find our place in it=
and
> >> make a decent living while getting some satisfaction from the work, I =
will
> >> find something else to do. I just don't see it happening any time soo=
n, but
> >> if it does, I am ready for the next challenge. Success is about findi=
ng a
> >> way to make things work and doing what you have to do.
> >>
> >> Leonard
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: "TechAssist" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 12:26 AM
> >> Subject: [TechAssist] NSA (National Service Alliance).
> >>
> >>
> >> What is it about Florida, anyway,...that all the servicers down that w=
ay
> >> seem to always have more business then they can handle. I see many oth=
er
> >> parts of the country, that are struggling just like I am ?
> >>
> >> With the exception of most of the big city shops, people in other smal=
ler
> >> markets seem to hardly have enough of the high end stuff, to keep thier
> >> doors open. We are already experiencing the slowdown that is sure to g=
et
> >> worse, with the introduction of an NSA into the service industry.
> >>
> >> We can't all move to Florida, or a major city in another state.
> >> This has not been necessary in past years, and shouldn't be necassary =
in the
> >> future,...but,...that's exactly where things are headed. Consumers wil=
l have
> >> to travel 100 miles or more to find one of these regional service prov=
iders
> >> that you are talking about.
> >>
> >> This is a BIG country,...and there is more to it then just having 500 =
or so
> >> service centers scattered about with about 10 in each state. We are al=
ready
> >> down to about 7,000 service centers. If 6,500 of them close thier door=
s,
> >> many of the best, and most experienced technicians, will be looking fo=
r a
> >> job at the existing 500 service centers.
> >> I guess you expect to be one of the surviving 500 ?
> >>
> >> LLW
> >>
> >> LeRoy Westlund
> >> Westlund TV & Electronics
> >> 97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,..
> >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget "
> >> Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
> >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Leonard Caillouet <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:44 PM
> >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Association).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Exactly how am I doomed?
> >>>
> >>> Actually, I think the NSA project is likely to be a spectacular start=
-up
> >>> followed by a quick decline. They may secure some initially lucrative
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> deals
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> with some manufacturers then they will get squeezed to reduce costs j=
ust as
> >>> they are experiencing the pains of any growing business. As affiliat=
es
> >>> figure out that they can do better in their own ventures they will be=
left
> >>> with few experienced technicians just as they are having to become mo=
re
> >>> efficient to survive. Then the principles will sell out, the buyers =
will
> >>> discover an empty shell, and it will be history. The initial invest=
ors
> >>> that get out soon enough will be the only ones that make anything.
> >>>
> >>> The key to success in the service business will always be the skill o=
f the
> >>> technician and large operations are rarely able to manage them effect=
ively.
> >>> The mid-sized service operation is the only level at which the indust=
ry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> will
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> ever be able to operate efficiently for products other than carry-in =
items
> >>> that can easily be shipped to plants with enough volume to have monke=
ys
> >>> repairing the same piece over and over. The money in the service bus=
iness
> >>> is in the larger pieces that UPS and companies like United Radio will=
not
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> be
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> able to deal with. That stuff, along with installation, programming,=
and
> >>> custom support will necessarily be done best by smaller, more stable
> >>> businesses that do not treat clients and products as commodities.
> >>>
> >>> I also think a lot of one man shops will go away in favor of more eff=
icient
> >>> slightly larger, but local and regional servicers. Some of us who are
> >>> carefully defining our markets and are efficient will grow and surviv=
e.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps you should be looking for a new business model if things are =
so
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> bad.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Leonard Caillouet
> >>> Electronics World
> >>> 1261 NW 76 Blvd
> >>> Gainesville, FL 32606
> >>> 352-332-5608
> >>> FAX 352-332-5668
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:05 PM
> >>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Association).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> And just how long do you plan on making this so called profit ?
> >>> Your lively hood is in jeopardy,...and you don't even realize it,...u=
nless
> >>> you plan on joining up with the elete, you will be doomed, just like =
the
> >>> rest of us.
> >>>
> >>> IMO,
> >>> LLW
> >>>
> >>> LeRoy Westlund
> >>> Westlund TV & Electronics
> >>> 97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,..
> >>> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget "
> >>> Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
> >>> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Leonard Caillouet <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:32 PM
> >>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Association).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I don't support NSA. I just concern myself with things that I can
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> control,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> like understanding how to make a profit in my market and focusing on=
doing
> >>>> things better.
> >>>>
> >>>> Leonard G. Caillouet
> >>>> Electronics World
> >>>> 1261 NW 76 Blvd
> >>>> Gainesville, FL 32606
> >>>> 352-332-5608
> >>>> 352-332-5668 FAX
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:11 PM
> >>>> Subject: [TechAssist] NSA (National Service Association).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Perry,
> >>>> There is no need to stop helping each other, just because of this
> >>>> discussion.
> >>>> It was not my intent to cause hard feelings with each other.
> >>>> Don't take it so personal. We only want to find ways to stop the NSA
> >>>> movement, even though there seems to be a few that do support it.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am willing to here the other side of the coin.
> >>>> Why do you seem to support the NSA, and don't let it worry you ?
> >>>> Leonard,..or anyone else ? This is an open discussion,...NOT a bashi=
ng
> >>>> session.
> >>>>
> >>>> LLW
> >>>>
> >>>> LeRoy Westlund
> >>>> Westlund TV & Electronics
> >>>> 97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,..
> >>>> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget "
> >>>> Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
> >>>> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Electric Medic <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 12:36 PM
> >>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urgen=
t News
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> NSA.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Leonard: What are you saying? It's not about fair competition, I co=
mpete
> >>>>> everyday. It's about us sticking together to help each other surviv=
e, not
> >>>>> taking up for these "savvy" business people. It's about some perso=
n in a
> >>>>> Van next door taking our business and us providing tech help to the=
m and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> not
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> knowing. If I didn't know better I would think you were this myster=
ious
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> man!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I see you have no problem being on this list helping or getting
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> information.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I don't care how "savvy" this person may be, he doesn't know it all=
. So
> >>>>> everyone on here, I will not be providing anymore tech help until I=
know
> >>>>> where the enemies are! Maybe you could care less, but what if many =
did
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> this.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Heck, not getting one tip hurts us all. At least we don't have to h=
elp
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> this
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> savvy businessman and his buddies and not waste our time helping ot=
hers
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> to
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> rob us. Hey knowledge is power too, and we all discover a new Tech =
Tip
> >>>>> everyday, I used to share a Tip of the day, but..I have learned, no=
t to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> do
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> that anymore. I have also decided not to put Tips in WinStips or an=
y Tip
> >>>>> program or Archive. If we all did this, and these people all would =
have
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> to
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> invent the wheel, they wouldn't get to far. All it does is hurt the=
whole
> >>>>> group when many of us are forced to hoard information, but if that =
is the
> >>>>> only way I can fight it, I will.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Perry Bower
> >>>>> Electric Medic
> >>>>> "It's Cheaper to Keep Her"
> >>>>> http://www.electricmedic.com
> >>>>> 3850 Washington Road Suite 4C
> >>>>> Martinez, Georgia 30907
> >>>>> Phone: 706-8MEDIC4 (863-3424)
> >>>>> Phone: 706-863-3474
> >>>>> Fax: 706-863-2316
> >>>>> mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Leonard Caillo=
uet
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:02 PM
> >>>>> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urge=
nt
> >>>>> News / NSA.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Probably because he is a savy businessman and does not waste his ti=
me
> >>>>> complaining about how the service market is changing but does somet=
hing
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> to
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> position himself to be more successful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Grow up guys. This is business. If you can't compete do something =
else
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> or
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> go to work for someone who can. I don't recall anything in the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Constitution
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> that assures that independent servicers have a right to a part of t=
he
> >>>>> market.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Leonard G. Caillouet
> >>>>> Electronics World
> >>>>> 1261 NW 76 Blvd
> >>>>> Gainesville, FL 32606
> >>>>> 352-332-5608
> >>>>> 352-332-5668 FAX
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Electric Medic" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:05 PM
> >>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urge=
nt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> News
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> /
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> NSA.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How could one man or TV Shop owner have that much power over all th=
e rest
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> us? We outnumber him many times over. What makes him so special tha=
t he
> >>>>> could change the repair business as we know it and take customers f=
rom us
> >>>>> locally? How does he find the time or the money? Most of us can bar=
ely
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> make
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> ends meet and that is with tons of business. I would just like to k=
now
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> that.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Perry Bower
> >>>>> Electric Medic
> >>>>> "It's Cheaper to Keep Her"
> >>>>> http://www.electricmedic.com
> >>>>> 3850 Washington Road Suite 4C
> >>>>> Martinez, Georgia 30907
> >>>>> Phone: 706-8MEDIC4 (863-3424)
> >>>>> Phone: 706-863-3474
> >>>>> Fax: 706-863-2316
> >>>>> mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of LeRoy Westlund
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:20 PM
> >>>>> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urgent N=
ews /
> >>>>> NSA.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> OK,...I hope I don't get in trouble,...but,..here is my solution.
> >>>>> In my opinion,..there is ONLY one man who can stop it,...and I'll
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> withhold
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> his name, until it becomes necessary to provide it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He s a prominent member of NESDA.
> >>>>> He needs to be approuched by the members of this list, that "oppose=
" to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> formation of NSA. NOT just by the few renegade members that are get=
ting a
> >>>>> bad reputation on NESDA from trying thier best to fight back,...but=
,...by
> >>>>> recruiting some of the other members that are opposed, but have been
> >>>>> silently letting them do thier dirty work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can't recruit them on NESDA, because they won't allow freedom of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> speech
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> on the NesdaNet. So recruit as many members of the TechAssist group=
that
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> are
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> ALSO members of Nesda. They have NO power to bounce posts on THIS l=
ist.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Try the personal e-mail approuch first,...and try to set up a meeti=
ng
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> with
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> him and (his group). Scedule it for the summer convention in Florid=
a. If
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> he
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> refuses to set up a discussion group, then corner him at the conven=
tion,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> put some heat on him to stop the effort to establish the NSA projec=
t.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Don't threaten him,...but,...if thier are enough of you that could
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> approuch
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> him on a personal basis, and explain the devistation that will resu=
lt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> from
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> the formation of a National Servicing Network,....he might could be
> >>>>> pursuaded to drop his efforts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Remember,..."he" is the one who started it,...and he is most likly =
the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "only
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> one" who can put an end to it. He has lots of power within the NESDA
> >>>>> organization, and that is the ONLY place that can handle a problem =
of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> this
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> magnitude. BUT,...they (NESDA), cannot handle the problem, unless t=
hey
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> are
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> PRESSURED to do it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> IMO only,
> >>>>> LLW
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LeRoy Westlund
> >>>>> Westlund TV & Electronics
> >>>>> 97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,=
..
> >>>>> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget "
> >>>>> Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
> >>>>> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Doug Keller <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:46 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urge=
nt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> News
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Go ahead. It concerns everyone on this list.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Doug Keller
> >>>>>> Wis-Kel Electronics
> >>>>>> 101 Freeland Ave.
> >>>>>> Terra Alta, WV
> >>>>>> USA 26764
> >>>>>> dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> http://www.tech-assist.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
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