If you've worked all these years and paid in to SS as required you'll surely get more than enough to buy a weeks worth of groceries, or you are one BIG eater. I won't get as much as most people do and what I get from SS is ALL I'll have but I'll get by ok. Please send donations to........... :-) ******************************** Since 1972 * Jim Myers * Telrad Electronics * Fort Wayne Indiana * ******************************** daryls_tv@xxxxxxx wrote: > As far as SS goes, it certainly looks like it is dried up for me. > In a few months I would have been eligible to draw SS. To my disappointmen= > t, It won't hardly be worth my time to try to go get it. The measly amount= > won't even buy a weeks worth of groceries. At least for me, there will no= > t be any retirement for me. It is too late at this stage of the game to tr= > y to get into another field of work. I will have to work until I drop or t= > he second coming. My only hope is this TV repair business with turn around= > and start producing a living (well, I can still hope and dream, can't I?).= > When these large wanna be companies run the little guy out of business, w= > here does the little guy go? They don't give a rat's a** who they crush.= > =20=20 > I wouldn't qualify for unemployment and not be able to get a job because of= > age. Been there done that! > Now back to the loosing dogs :-( > Daryl > Daryl's TV > 2402 Wyoming Ave. > El Paso, TX 79903 > 915-565-9184 Voice/Fax > daryls_tv@xxxxxxx > www.angelfire.com/tv2/daryls_tv > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Alliance). > Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:30:31 -0500 > > >>=20 >>"and also threatening to take away social security." >>=20 >>Now where did you get that idea? You and I will be long gone before SS >>dries up, But it WILL dry up for our grand children no matter what plan >>they use. >>=20 >>=20 >>******************************** >>Since 1972 * >>Jim Myers * >>Telrad Electronics * >>Fort Wayne Indiana * >>******************************** >>=20 >>=20 >>larry wrote: >> >>>hi Leonard, >>>Glad to hear it is good some where in this country. >>>In small town, ohio. it is looking bad. >>>many unemployed and now running out of unemployment insurance help. >>>this town is 30k, and about a dozen well to do, in the bunch. >>>lol >>>WalMart is packed though. >>>I agree I see nothing i can do to change the big picture. >>>So I wine about our fate. >>>I cant help feeling betrayed by the people in charge , when i=20 >>>spent my whole life learning tv repair, >>>and at 60 telling me to re-train. and also threatening to take=20 >>>away social security. >>>It just isnt the dream i had planed for my retirement years. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Schneider TV & Electronic Inc. >>>5415 N. Wooster ave. >>>Dover, Ohio 44622 www.geocities.com/schntv2000/ >>>330-343-0768 FCC. first class & Extra class K8WLY >>> >>> >>> >>>Leonard Caillouet wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>What do you propose to do? Maybe we should pass a law banning Wal-Mar= > > t and > >>>>NSA. I hear lots of bitching and moaning about how bad things are, bu= > > t just > >>>>what can you do to change it? If you have to move or re-orient your >>>>business, or re-train yourself to another field, or teach, or go to wo= > > rk for > >>>>someone else, then do so. You will not keep NSA and other service >>>>operations from happening with a few dozen or even a few hundred techs >>>>complaining if someone thinks that they can make some $$ with them. >>>> >>>>The economy does not owe you an unchanging market for your service. Y= > > ou > >>>>have to be able to adapt to survive. >>>> >>>>We focus on high end customers interested in custom home installations= > > , mid > >>>>to high end products, and reliable, effective service support. In a m= > > arket > >>>>area of about 100K there is one other dealer/servicer like us, and sev= > > eral > >>>>shops. We coexist with the Best Buys, Sears, etc, as well as with Dec= > > ision > >>>>One and UPS. The other dealer like us is taking on regional warranty >>>>support for a number of brands while we stick with servicing only what= > > we > >>>>sell for warranty work and do non-warranty work for most brands. >>>> >>>>If the market changes to the point that we cannot find our place in it= > > and > >>>>make a decent living while getting some satisfaction from the work, I = > > will > >>>>find something else to do. I just don't see it happening any time soo= > > n, but > >>>>if it does, I am ready for the next challenge. Success is about findi= > > ng a > >>>>way to make things work and doing what you have to do. >>>> >>>>Leonard >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>To: "TechAssist" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 12:26 AM >>>>Subject: [TechAssist] NSA (National Service Alliance). >>>> >>>> >>>>What is it about Florida, anyway,...that all the servicers down that w= > > ay > >>>>seem to always have more business then they can handle. I see many oth= > > er > >>>>parts of the country, that are struggling just like I am ? >>>> >>>>With the exception of most of the big city shops, people in other smal= > > ler > >>>>markets seem to hardly have enough of the high end stuff, to keep thier >>>>doors open. We are already experiencing the slowdown that is sure to g= > > et > >>>>worse, with the introduction of an NSA into the service industry. >>>> >>>>We can't all move to Florida, or a major city in another state. >>>>This has not been necessary in past years, and shouldn't be necassary = > > in the > >>>>future,...but,...that's exactly where things are headed. Consumers wil= > > l have > >>>>to travel 100 miles or more to find one of these regional service prov= > > iders > >>>>that you are talking about. >>>> >>>>This is a BIG country,...and there is more to it then just having 500 = > > or so > >>>>service centers scattered about with about 10 in each state. We are al= > > ready > >>>>down to about 7,000 service centers. If 6,500 of them close thier door= > > s, > >>>>many of the best, and most experienced technicians, will be looking fo= > > r a > >>>>job at the existing 500 service centers. >>>>I guess you expect to be one of the surviving 500 ? >>>> >>>>LLW >>>> >>>>LeRoy Westlund >>>>Westlund TV & Electronics >>>>97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,.. >>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget " >>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >>>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Leonard Caillouet <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:44 PM >>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Association). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Exactly how am I doomed? >>>>> >>>>>Actually, I think the NSA project is likely to be a spectacular start= > > -up > >>>>>followed by a quick decline. They may secure some initially lucrative >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>deals >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>with some manufacturers then they will get squeezed to reduce costs j= > > ust as > >>>>>they are experiencing the pains of any growing business. As affiliat= > > es > >>>>>figure out that they can do better in their own ventures they will be= > > left > >>>>>with few experienced technicians just as they are having to become mo= > > re > >>>>>efficient to survive. Then the principles will sell out, the buyers = > > will > >>>>>discover an empty shell, and it will be history. The initial invest= > > ors > >>>>>that get out soon enough will be the only ones that make anything. >>>>> >>>>>The key to success in the service business will always be the skill o= > > f the > >>>>>technician and large operations are rarely able to manage them effect= > > ively. > >>>>>The mid-sized service operation is the only level at which the indust= > > ry > >>>>> >>>>will >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>ever be able to operate efficiently for products other than carry-in = > > items > >>>>>that can easily be shipped to plants with enough volume to have monke= > > ys > >>>>>repairing the same piece over and over. The money in the service bus= > > iness > >>>>>is in the larger pieces that UPS and companies like United Radio will= > > not > >>>>> >>>>be >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>able to deal with. That stuff, along with installation, programming,= > > and > >>>>>custom support will necessarily be done best by smaller, more stable >>>>>businesses that do not treat clients and products as commodities. >>>>> >>>>>I also think a lot of one man shops will go away in favor of more eff= > > icient > >>>>>slightly larger, but local and regional servicers. Some of us who are >>>>>carefully defining our markets and are efficient will grow and surviv= > > e. > >>>>>Perhaps you should be looking for a new business model if things are = > > so > >>>>> >>>>bad. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Leonard Caillouet >>>>>Electronics World >>>>>1261 NW 76 Blvd >>>>>Gainesville, FL 32606 >>>>>352-332-5608 >>>>>FAX 352-332-5668 >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:05 PM >>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Association). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>And just how long do you plan on making this so called profit ? >>>>>Your lively hood is in jeopardy,...and you don't even realize it,...u= > > nless > >>>>>you plan on joining up with the elete, you will be doomed, just like = > > the > >>>>>rest of us. >>>>> >>>>>IMO, >>>>>LLW >>>>> >>>>>LeRoy Westlund >>>>>Westlund TV & Electronics >>>>>97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,.. >>>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget " >>>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >>>>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Leonard Caillouet <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:32 PM >>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Association). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I don't support NSA. I just concern myself with things that I can >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>control, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>like understanding how to make a profit in my market and focusing on= > > doing > >>>>>>things better. >>>>>> >>>>>>Leonard G. Caillouet >>>>>>Electronics World >>>>>>1261 NW 76 Blvd >>>>>>Gainesville, FL 32606 >>>>>>352-332-5608 >>>>>>352-332-5668 FAX >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:11 PM >>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] NSA (National Service Association). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Perry, >>>>>>There is no need to stop helping each other, just because of this >>>>>>discussion. >>>>>>It was not my intent to cause hard feelings with each other. >>>>>>Don't take it so personal. We only want to find ways to stop the NSA >>>>>>movement, even though there seems to be a few that do support it. >>>>>> >>>>>>I am willing to here the other side of the coin. >>>>>>Why do you seem to support the NSA, and don't let it worry you ? >>>>>>Leonard,..or anyone else ? This is an open discussion,...NOT a bashi= > > ng > >>>>>>session. >>>>>> >>>>>>LLW >>>>>> >>>>>>LeRoy Westlund >>>>>>Westlund TV & Electronics >>>>>>97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,.. >>>>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget " >>>>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >>>>>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: Electric Medic <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 12:36 PM >>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urgen= > > t News > >>>>>> >>>>>/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>NSA. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Leonard: What are you saying? It's not about fair competition, I co= > > mpete > >>>>>>>everyday. It's about us sticking together to help each other surviv= > > e, not > >>>>>>>taking up for these "savvy" business people. It's about some perso= > > n in a > >>>>>>>Van next door taking our business and us providing tech help to the= > > m and > >>>>>>> >>>>>>not >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>knowing. If I didn't know better I would think you were this myster= > > ious > >>>>>>> >>>>>>man! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I see you have no problem being on this list helping or getting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>information. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't care how "savvy" this person may be, he doesn't know it all= > > . So > >>>>>>>everyone on here, I will not be providing anymore tech help until I= > > know > >>>>>>>where the enemies are! Maybe you could care less, but what if many = > > did > >>>>>>> >>>>>>this. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Heck, not getting one tip hurts us all. At least we don't have to h= > > elp > >>>>>>> >>>>>this >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>savvy businessman and his buddies and not waste our time helping ot= > > hers > >>>>>>> >>>>to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>rob us. Hey knowledge is power too, and we all discover a new Tech = > > Tip > >>>>>>>everyday, I used to share a Tip of the day, but..I have learned, no= > > t to > >>>>>>> >>>>do >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>that anymore. I have also decided not to put Tips in WinStips or an= > > y Tip > >>>>>>>program or Archive. If we all did this, and these people all would = > > have > >>>>>>> >>>>to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>invent the wheel, they wouldn't get to far. All it does is hurt the= > > whole > >>>>>>>group when many of us are forced to hoard information, but if that = > > is the > >>>>>>>only way I can fight it, I will. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Perry Bower >>>>>>>Electric Medic >>>>>>>"It's Cheaper to Keep Her" >>>>>>>http://www.electricmedic.com >>>>>>>3850 Washington Road Suite 4C >>>>>>>Martinez, Georgia 30907 >>>>>>>Phone: 706-8MEDIC4 (863-3424) >>>>>>>Phone: 706-863-3474 >>>>>>>Fax: 706-863-2316 >>>>>>>mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Leonard Caillo= > > uet > >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:02 PM >>>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urge= > > nt > >>>>>>>News / NSA. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Probably because he is a savy businessman and does not waste his ti= > > me > >>>>>>>complaining about how the service market is changing but does somet= > > hing > >>>>>>> >>>>to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>position himself to be more successful. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Grow up guys. This is business. If you can't compete do something = > > else > >>>>>>> >>>>or >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>go to work for someone who can. I don't recall anything in the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Constitution >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>that assures that independent servicers have a right to a part of t= > > he > >>>>>>>market. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Leonard G. Caillouet >>>>>>>Electronics World >>>>>>>1261 NW 76 Blvd >>>>>>>Gainesville, FL 32606 >>>>>>>352-332-5608 >>>>>>>352-332-5668 FAX >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "Electric Medic" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:05 PM >>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urge= > > nt > >>>>>>> >>>>News >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>NSA. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>How could one man or TV Shop owner have that much power over all th= > > e rest > >>>>>>> >>>>>>of >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>us? We outnumber him many times over. What makes him so special tha= > > t he > >>>>>>>could change the repair business as we know it and take customers f= > > rom us > >>>>>>>locally? How does he find the time or the money? Most of us can bar= > > ely > >>>>>>> >>>>>make >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>ends meet and that is with tons of business. I would just like to k= > > now > >>>>>>> >>>>>>that. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Perry Bower >>>>>>>Electric Medic >>>>>>>"It's Cheaper to Keep Her" >>>>>>>http://www.electricmedic.com >>>>>>>3850 Washington Road Suite 4C >>>>>>>Martinez, Georgia 30907 >>>>>>>Phone: 706-8MEDIC4 (863-3424) >>>>>>>Phone: 706-863-3474 >>>>>>>Fax: 706-863-2316 >>>>>>>mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of LeRoy Westlund >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:20 PM >>>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urgent N= > > ews / > >>>>>>>NSA. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>OK,...I hope I don't get in trouble,...but,..here is my solution. >>>>>>>In my opinion,..there is ONLY one man who can stop it,...and I'll >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>withhold >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>his name, until it becomes necessary to provide it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>He s a prominent member of NESDA. >>>>>>>He needs to be approuched by the members of this list, that "oppose= > > " to > >>>>>>> >>>>>the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>formation of NSA. NOT just by the few renegade members that are get= > > ting a > >>>>>>>bad reputation on NESDA from trying thier best to fight back,...but= > > ,...by > >>>>>>>recruiting some of the other members that are opposed, but have been >>>>>>>silently letting them do thier dirty work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You can't recruit them on NESDA, because they won't allow freedom of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>speech >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>on the NesdaNet. So recruit as many members of the TechAssist group= > > that > >>>>>>> >>>>>>are >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>ALSO members of Nesda. They have NO power to bounce posts on THIS l= > > ist. > >>>>>>>Try the personal e-mail approuch first,...and try to set up a meeti= > > ng > >>>>>>> >>>>with >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>him and (his group). Scedule it for the summer convention in Florid= > > a. If > >>>>>>> >>>>>he >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>refuses to set up a discussion group, then corner him at the conven= > > tion, > >>>>>>> >>>>>>and >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>put some heat on him to stop the effort to establish the NSA projec= > > t. > >>>>>>>Don't threaten him,...but,...if thier are enough of you that could >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>approuch >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>him on a personal basis, and explain the devistation that will resu= > > lt > >>>>>>> >>>>from >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>the formation of a National Servicing Network,....he might could be >>>>>>>pursuaded to drop his efforts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Remember,..."he" is the one who started it,...and he is most likly = > > the > >>>>>>> >>>>>>"only >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>one" who can put an end to it. He has lots of power within the NESDA >>>>>>>organization, and that is the ONLY place that can handle a problem = > > of > >>>>>>> >>>>this >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>magnitude. BUT,...they (NESDA), cannot handle the problem, unless t= > > hey > >>>>>>> >>>>are >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>PRESSURED to do it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>IMO only, >>>>>>>LLW >>>>>>> >>>>>>>LeRoy Westlund >>>>>>>Westlund TV & Electronics >>>>>>>97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,= > > .. > >>>>>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget " >>>>>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >>>>>>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>From: Doug Keller <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:46 AM >>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urge= > > nt > >>>>>>> >>>>News >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Go ahead. 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