[TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Alliance).
- From: Jim Myers <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:30:31 -0500
"and also threatening to take away social security."
Now where did you get that idea? You and I will be long gone before SS
dries up, But it WILL dry up for our grand children no matter what plan
they use.
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Since 1972 *
Jim Myers *
Telrad Electronics *
Fort Wayne Indiana *
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larry wrote:
> hi Leonard,
> Glad to hear it is good some where in this country.
> In small town, ohio. it is looking bad.
> many unemployed and now running out of unemployment insurance help.
> this town is 30k, and about a dozen well to do, in the bunch.
> lol
> WalMart is packed though.
> I agree I see nothing i can do to change the big picture.
> So I wine about our fate.
> I cant help feeling betrayed by the people in charge , when i spent my
> whole life learning tv repair,
> and at 60 telling me to re-train. and also threatening to take away
> social security.
> It just isnt the dream i had planed for my retirement years.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Schneider TV & Electronic Inc.
> 5415 N. Wooster ave.
> Dover, Ohio 44622 www.geocities.com/schntv2000/
> 330-343-0768 FCC. first class & Extra class K8WLY
>
>
>
> Leonard Caillouet wrote:
>
>
>>What do you propose to do? Maybe we should pass a law banning Wal-Mart and
>>NSA. I hear lots of bitching and moaning about how bad things are, but just
>>what can you do to change it? If you have to move or re-orient your
>>business, or re-train yourself to another field, or teach, or go to work for
>>someone else, then do so. You will not keep NSA and other service
>>operations from happening with a few dozen or even a few hundred techs
>>complaining if someone thinks that they can make some $$ with them.
>>
>>The economy does not owe you an unchanging market for your service. You
>>have to be able to adapt to survive.
>>
>>We focus on high end customers interested in custom home installations, mid
>>to high end products, and reliable, effective service support. In a market
>>area of about 100K there is one other dealer/servicer like us, and several
>>shops. We coexist with the Best Buys, Sears, etc, as well as with Decision
>>One and UPS. The other dealer like us is taking on regional warranty
>>support for a number of brands while we stick with servicing only what we
>>sell for warranty work and do non-warranty work for most brands.
>>
>>If the market changes to the point that we cannot find our place in it and
>>make a decent living while getting some satisfaction from the work, I will
>>find something else to do. I just don't see it happening any time soon, but
>>if it does, I am ready for the next challenge. Success is about finding a
>>way to make things work and doing what you have to do.
>>
>>Leonard
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: "TechAssist" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 12:26 AM
>>Subject: [TechAssist] NSA (National Service Alliance).
>>
>>
>>What is it about Florida, anyway,...that all the servicers down that way
>>seem to always have more business then they can handle. I see many other
>>parts of the country, that are struggling just like I am ?
>>
>>With the exception of most of the big city shops, people in other smaller
>>markets seem to hardly have enough of the high end stuff, to keep thier
>>doors open. We are already experiencing the slowdown that is sure to get
>>worse, with the introduction of an NSA into the service industry.
>>
>>We can't all move to Florida, or a major city in another state.
>>This has not been necessary in past years, and shouldn't be necassary in the
>>future,...but,...that's exactly where things are headed. Consumers will have
>>to travel 100 miles or more to find one of these regional service providers
>>that you are talking about.
>>
>>This is a BIG country,...and there is more to it then just having 500 or so
>>service centers scattered about with about 10 in each state. We are already
>>down to about 7,000 service centers. If 6,500 of them close thier doors,
>>many of the best, and most experienced technicians, will be looking for a
>>job at the existing 500 service centers.
>>I guess you expect to be one of the surviving 500 ?
>>
>>LLW
>>
>>LeRoy Westlund
>>Westlund TV & Electronics
>>97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,..
>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget "
>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Leonard Caillouet <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:44 PM
>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Association).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Exactly how am I doomed?
>>>
>>>Actually, I think the NSA project is likely to be a spectacular start-up
>>>followed by a quick decline. They may secure some initially lucrative
>>>
>>>
>>
>>deals
>>
>>
>>
>>>with some manufacturers then they will get squeezed to reduce costs just as
>>>they are experiencing the pains of any growing business. As affiliates
>>>figure out that they can do better in their own ventures they will be left
>>>with few experienced technicians just as they are having to become more
>>>efficient to survive. Then the principles will sell out, the buyers will
>>>discover an empty shell, and it will be history. The initial investors
>>>that get out soon enough will be the only ones that make anything.
>>>
>>>The key to success in the service business will always be the skill of the
>>>technician and large operations are rarely able to manage them effectively.
>>>The mid-sized service operation is the only level at which the industry
>>>
>>>
>>
>>will
>>
>>
>>
>>>ever be able to operate efficiently for products other than carry-in items
>>>that can easily be shipped to plants with enough volume to have monkeys
>>>repairing the same piece over and over. The money in the service business
>>>is in the larger pieces that UPS and companies like United Radio will not
>>>
>>>
>>
>>be
>>
>>
>>
>>>able to deal with. That stuff, along with installation, programming, and
>>>custom support will necessarily be done best by smaller, more stable
>>>businesses that do not treat clients and products as commodities.
>>>
>>>I also think a lot of one man shops will go away in favor of more efficient
>>>slightly larger, but local and regional servicers. Some of us who are
>>>carefully defining our markets and are efficient will grow and survive.
>>>
>>>Perhaps you should be looking for a new business model if things are so
>>>
>>>
>>
>>bad.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Leonard Caillouet
>>>Electronics World
>>>1261 NW 76 Blvd
>>>Gainesville, FL 32606
>>>352-332-5608
>>>FAX 352-332-5668
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:05 PM
>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Association).
>>>
>>>
>>>And just how long do you plan on making this so called profit ?
>>>Your lively hood is in jeopardy,...and you don't even realize it,...unless
>>>you plan on joining up with the elete, you will be doomed, just like the
>>>rest of us.
>>>
>>>IMO,
>>>LLW
>>>
>>>LeRoy Westlund
>>>Westlund TV & Electronics
>>>97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,..
>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget "
>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
>>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Leonard Caillouet <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:32 PM
>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: NSA (National Service Association).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I don't support NSA. I just concern myself with things that I can
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>control,
>>
>>
>>
>>>>like understanding how to make a profit in my market and focusing on doing
>>>>things better.
>>>>
>>>>Leonard G. Caillouet
>>>>Electronics World
>>>>1261 NW 76 Blvd
>>>>Gainesville, FL 32606
>>>>352-332-5608
>>>>352-332-5668 FAX
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:11 PM
>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] NSA (National Service Association).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Perry,
>>>>There is no need to stop helping each other, just because of this
>>>>discussion.
>>>>It was not my intent to cause hard feelings with each other.
>>>>Don't take it so personal. We only want to find ways to stop the NSA
>>>>movement, even though there seems to be a few that do support it.
>>>>
>>>>I am willing to here the other side of the coin.
>>>>Why do you seem to support the NSA, and don't let it worry you ?
>>>>Leonard,..or anyone else ? This is an open discussion,...NOT a bashing
>>>>session.
>>>>
>>>>LLW
>>>>
>>>>LeRoy Westlund
>>>>Westlund TV & Electronics
>>>>97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,..
>>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget "
>>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
>>>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Electric Medic <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 12:36 PM
>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urgent News
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>NSA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Leonard: What are you saying? It's not about fair competition, I compete
>>>>>everyday. It's about us sticking together to help each other survive, not
>>>>>taking up for these "savvy" business people. It's about some person in a
>>>>>Van next door taking our business and us providing tech help to them and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>not
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>knowing. If I didn't know better I would think you were this mysterious
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>man!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I see you have no problem being on this list helping or getting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>information.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I don't care how "savvy" this person may be, he doesn't know it all. So
>>>>>everyone on here, I will not be providing anymore tech help until I know
>>>>>where the enemies are! Maybe you could care less, but what if many did
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Heck, not getting one tip hurts us all. At least we don't have to help
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>this
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>savvy businessman and his buddies and not waste our time helping others
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>rob us. Hey knowledge is power too, and we all discover a new Tech Tip
>>>>>everyday, I used to share a Tip of the day, but..I have learned, not to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>do
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>that anymore. I have also decided not to put Tips in WinStips or any Tip
>>>>>program or Archive. If we all did this, and these people all would have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>invent the wheel, they wouldn't get to far. All it does is hurt the whole
>>>>>group when many of us are forced to hoard information, but if that is the
>>>>>only way I can fight it, I will.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perry Bower
>>>>>Electric Medic
>>>>>"It's Cheaper to Keep Her"
>>>>>http://www.electricmedic.com
>>>>>3850 Washington Road Suite 4C
>>>>>Martinez, Georgia 30907
>>>>>Phone: 706-8MEDIC4 (863-3424)
>>>>>Phone: 706-863-3474
>>>>>Fax: 706-863-2316
>>>>>mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Leonard Caillouet
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:02 PM
>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urgent
>>>>>News / NSA.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably because he is a savy businessman and does not waste his time
>>>>>complaining about how the service market is changing but does something
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>position himself to be more successful.
>>>>>
>>>>>Grow up guys. This is business. If you can't compete do something else
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>or
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>go to work for someone who can. I don't recall anything in the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Constitution
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>that assures that independent servicers have a right to a part of the
>>>>>market.
>>>>>
>>>>>Leonard G. Caillouet
>>>>>Electronics World
>>>>>1261 NW 76 Blvd
>>>>>Gainesville, FL 32606
>>>>>352-332-5608
>>>>>352-332-5668 FAX
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Electric Medic" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:05 PM
>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urgent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>News
>>
>>
>>
>>>>/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>NSA.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How could one man or TV Shop owner have that much power over all the rest
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>us? We outnumber him many times over. What makes him so special that he
>>>>>could change the repair business as we know it and take customers from us
>>>>>locally? How does he find the time or the money? Most of us can barely
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>make
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>ends meet and that is with tons of business. I would just like to know
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Perry Bower
>>>>>Electric Medic
>>>>>"It's Cheaper to Keep Her"
>>>>>http://www.electricmedic.com
>>>>>3850 Washington Road Suite 4C
>>>>>Martinez, Georgia 30907
>>>>>Phone: 706-8MEDIC4 (863-3424)
>>>>>Phone: 706-863-3474
>>>>>Fax: 706-863-2316
>>>>>mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of LeRoy Westlund
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:20 PM
>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urgent News /
>>>>>NSA.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>OK,...I hope I don't get in trouble,...but,..here is my solution.
>>>>>In my opinion,..there is ONLY one man who can stop it,...and I'll
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>withhold
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>his name, until it becomes necessary to provide it.
>>>>>
>>>>>He s a prominent member of NESDA.
>>>>>He needs to be approuched by the members of this list, that "oppose" to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>formation of NSA. NOT just by the few renegade members that are getting a
>>>>>bad reputation on NESDA from trying thier best to fight back,...but,...by
>>>>>recruiting some of the other members that are opposed, but have been
>>>>>silently letting them do thier dirty work.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can't recruit them on NESDA, because they won't allow freedom of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>speech
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>on the NesdaNet. So recruit as many members of the TechAssist group that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>ALSO members of Nesda. They have NO power to bounce posts on THIS list.
>>>>>
>>>>>Try the personal e-mail approuch first,...and try to set up a meeting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>with
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>him and (his group). Scedule it for the summer convention in Florida. If
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>he
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>refuses to set up a discussion group, then corner him at the convention,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>put some heat on him to stop the effort to establish the NSA project.
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't threaten him,...but,...if thier are enough of you that could
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>approuch
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>him on a personal basis, and explain the devistation that will result
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>from
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>the formation of a National Servicing Network,....he might could be
>>>>>pursuaded to drop his efforts.
>>>>>
>>>>>Remember,..."he" is the one who started it,...and he is most likly the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"only
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>one" who can put an end to it. He has lots of power within the NESDA
>>>>>organization, and that is the ONLY place that can handle a problem of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>this
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>magnitude. BUT,...they (NESDA), cannot handle the problem, unless they
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>are
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>PRESSURED to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>>IMO only,
>>>>>LLW
>>>>>
>>>>>LeRoy Westlund
>>>>>Westlund TV & Electronics
>>>>>97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,..
>>>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget "
>>>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
>>>>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Doug Keller <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:46 AM
>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ServicePower Field Service Solutions Urgent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>News
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Go ahead. It concerns everyone on this list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Doug Keller
>>>>>>Wis-Kel Electronics
>>>>>>101 Freeland Ave.
>>>>>>Terra Alta, WV
>>>>>>USA 26764
>>>>>>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>http://www.tech-assist.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>
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