[tcb] Re: Type 2 - 1967 & Earlier - Stock or Type 2 - 1967 & Earlier - Custom
- From: "w.wood" <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 10:32:17 -0400
Okay, I'm biting my tongue here since I have a couple of "toys" with
something other than stock engines.
1) In a stock ACVW bus with later redux boxes, at about 5000 RPM you're
hitting 70mph
2) Stock crankshafts are not counterweighted and the stock engine balance
works well for routine driving.
3) given those two factors, running at those speeds all the times causes
premature wear due to vibration.
4) If you want long life, go with a counterweighted crank and balance the
rotating assembly. you can then rev to your hearts content but the
next thing in the chain is the valvetrain, upgrade to solid shaft, better
rockers and better valve springs as well as higher quality valves.
Now, for displacement. With RGBs, a 1600 does fine. If you go straight
axle, you need more power and a 1600 won't be able to push it without other
changes (lower profile tires, carrying less weight etc.)
This is one of those subjects that goes down a path that also gets very
expensive. I have one engine, in a street bus, that has over $6000 in
parts. I could build a V8 for less money and I'm now thinking of another
aircooled alternative just for the heck of it. there's also not a lot of
parts out there that I wouldn't trust so quality costs.
A 1776 is a great engine but a 1776 SP is about as far as I'd go with Single
Port Heads.. It's not an A/F thing it has to do with breathing. The power
and the heat is in the cylinder heads and while guys made a mint porting and
polishing 40HP and 1500 SP Heads, it's all about racing classes and vintage
look because a stock set of dual ports will outflow the best single port
setup you can have. Flow = power and better flow in an ACVW also helps with
cooling by easing the flow of gasses out of the engine.
Here's the simple truth, if you like the way your VW runs, keep it stock.
If you have money to burn, play with things but expect subsequent losses in
reliability and driveability if you start changing things around. Me? I
put a Judson on a Barndoor with Barndoor RGBs! It'll go 55MPH with that
Judson, it'll get there fast too but above 55 I'm rattling my teeth! I also
have a 2.4L engine that makes me just love to beat up on Hondas but above
90MPH and I remember that old metal up front, the old drag link steering so
I back off. Ask Brian about the ride he had in my DC on the back roads of
Fredricksberg sometime.
Also, with any ACVW bus, remember this. The faster you go just consider
what is in front of you. 1) not a lot of space 2) Old steel that is at
least approaching middle age. 3) the Old suspension technology and 4) Drum
Brakes... eek.
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:04 AM, sammie smith
<bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> You are already cruising faster than I want to drive a splittie with stock
> suspension. In my opinion the only reason people go to a 1776 or 1835 is
> that it is a cheap way to get more cc, not the best way. For a splittie
> with a stock look I would still go with a well built 1600.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "wuzmop@xxxxxxx" <wuzmop@xxxxxxx>
> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Thu, April 8, 2010 7:51:34 AM
>
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Type 2 - 1967 & Earlier - Stock or Type 2 - 1967 &
> Earlier - Custom
>
> I have to agree here. I've toyed with the idea of a sp 1776 for my bus, but
> I want to retain my redux boxes, and I've shyed away from it for the reasons
> Sammy listed. I can already do 75 on a good day, cruise at 65-70 easily with
> my 1600 dp.
>
> I'd be curious about you guys' opinions on how a 1776 sp would compare to
> what I have now. The only reason I would even entertain the idea is I want
> sp for appearance, but don't want to loose the mph I have now. Better yet,
> what would you build (on a budget) to suit my needs?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thu, Apr 8, 2010 7:33 am
> Subject: [tcb] Re: Type 2 - 1967 & Earlier - Stock or Type 2 - 1967 &
> Earlier - Custom
>
> No, I don't like 1776 and 1835s. The secret of power for most VW driving
> is more torque, which you get by stroking for more CCs, not increasing the
> bore. Lyle Cherry used to build a great stroker 1800cc and the guys at
> Oakhill Auto have figured out a way to build a super reliable 2007cc. And
> to keep it stock looking you gotta go with single port heads and stock carbs
> and exhaust, then you are sort of defeating the purpose of a big motor if
> you put stock carbs, exhaust and single port heads on it. And if you think
> I am a "stock" guy, just take a look at my Baja. Better yet, I'll take you
> for a ride in it and show you what a 2 liter stroker motor will do to the
> acceleration of a VW.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Denis Dodson <coocoo@xxxxxxx>
> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 8:56:24 PM
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Type 2 - 1967 & Earlier - Stock or Type 2 - 1967 &
> Earlier - Custom
>
> But, being a stock guy, you would never go to a 1776?
>
> *From:* tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?>]
> *On Behalf Of *sammie smith
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:54 PM
> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Type 2 - 1967 & Earlier - Stock or Type 2 - 1967 &
> Earlier - Custom
>
> They cruise Ok up to about 60-65, which is about as fast as I want to
> drive a stock sprung bus. But, if I were building an engine for them and
> still wanted to look stock I would build a single port 1600 with a dog house
> for cooling. Westies are also a lot heavier than panel vans or even a
> nornal kombi or deluxe so a little extra power to pull all of the weight
> would be nice.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Eric Woodall <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 3:47:03 PM
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Type 2 - 1967 & Earlier - Stock or Type 2 - 1967 &
> Earlier - Custom
>
> A turbo single port 1500 would be cool.
>
> Quoting atx <atx_bus@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > How do you like the 1500? Have enough guts and top end speed?
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > sent via iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Apr 7, 2010, at 6:02 PM, sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes. Both of my Westies, 65 and 66 have their original 1500 engines and
> they are bone stock.
> >
> > From: atx <atx_bus@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 5:30:02 PM
> > Subject: [tcb] Re: Type 2 - 1967 & Earlier - Stock or Type 2 - 1967 &
> Earlier - Custom
> >
> > Sammie are you running a 1500 in your 65?
> >
> > When I get around to restoring my 66 hard top westy I'm planning to go
> stock with appearence but will probably upgrade the motor while staying
> single port. And maybe add some disc brakes.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > sent via iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Apr 7, 2010, at 1:02 PM, sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > The bus last year was Peter Albarian's newly restored 23 window and the
> engine won best vintage/stock engine. The engine was absolutely about as
> close to correct as you can make one and was built almost enitrely with NOS
> parts. The best engine and other best of awards are judged by a group of
> competent judges. As for the class awards, they are done by peoples choice
> and you may have a group of people who have no idea of the difference
> between a bay window and a split window voting on your class. I am taking
> my 65 westy that is restored to about as close to original as you can get.
> I will probably get beaten in camper class by someone with one that is
> painted purple and pink with an Arab tent, empi 5 spokes and deluxe trim
> because they are prettier.
> >
> > As Will says, go to have fun and what happens with the awards happens.
> >
> > From: "wuzmop@xxxxxxx" <wuzmop@xxxxxxx>
> > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 12:02:14 PM
> > Subject: [tcb] Re: Type 2 - 1967 & Earlier - Stock or Type 2 - 1967 &
> Earlier - Custom
> >
> > Trigger shifters. It's all about the trigger shifter these days.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Wed, Apr 7, 2010 11:50 am
> > Subject: [tcb] Re: Type 2 - 1967 & Earlier - Stock or Type 2 - 1967 &
> Earlier - Custom
> >
> > What ?!?!? No Empi Five Spokes? No Chrome Bumpers? No Shag Green
> Carpet?!?!?
> >
> > James, just go stock class. Take two or three sleeping pills tonight
> and every night until you're past this weekend.
> > Being there is half the fun.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:31 AM, James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > I noticed the winner last year had an original motor. So now I am
> wondering if I should change my class to Custom since mine is a 1600 and my
> gas tank is now a Mauve with Chartreuse straps. Thoughts?
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> >
> >
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