Istvan I have measured the DC voltage at the power pin of PLL. The result is in the common range. The power is of 2.5V. My measurement result is about 2.49V. Therefore I think there is no problem. Do you mean the PLL is very sensitive to the DC voltage? Best Regards Zhangkun 2004.8.27 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Istvan NOVAK" <istvan.novak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <zhang_kun@xxxxxxxxxx>; "Clifford van Dyk" <clifford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Re: Decoupling for PLL > Zhangkun, > > What do you mean by "there is no problem"? > Even if the DC voltage is within spec, the differing > DC voltage with 0-ohm resistor and with inductor > may contribute to the mystery. A control experiment > in this case would take a resistor with a value that > produces the same DC voltage you get with the > inductor, and see what happens in that case. > > Best regards, > > Istvan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zhangkun" <zhang_kun@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Clifford van Dyk" <clifford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 5:19 AM > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Decoupling for PLL > > > > Clifford > > > > I have measure the DC voltage. There is no problem. > > > > Best Regards > > > > Zhangkun > > 2004.8.27 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clifford van Dyk" <clifford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <zhang_kun@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Cc: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 2:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Decoupling for PLL > > > > > > > Hello Zhangkun > > > > > > You may want to verify that the DC voltage level at you supply pin to > > > your PLL is within spec. Often inductors have a reasonably large DC > > > resistance (even in the order of ohms), that causes significant voltage > > > drop if your PLL draws significant current from the supply. This would > > > explain why your resistor (0R) works fine. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > Clifford > > > > > > zhangkun 29902 wrote: > > > > > > >Dear all > > > > > > > >I have a question about decoupling for PLL. In one of our PCB, there > are three PLL. PI decoupling circuit is used. When the inductor is used, the > PCB does not work. When resistor of 0 ohm is used, the PCB work well. > > > > > > > >I have measured the power ground noise. The power ground noise in the > two situation is different of 3db, which could be ignored. The power ground > noise is very small. The power ground is about -50dbm at the harmonic > frequency of PLL. > > > > > > > >It is obvious that the key element is the decoupling circuit. However, > when I measure power ground noise, I could not find the obvious difference. > Please give me some advice. Is there anything which could not be measured at > PCB level? > > > > > > > >Best Regards > > > > > > > >Zhangkun > > > >2004.8.27 > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >To unsubscribe from si-list: > > > >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > > > > > > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > > > >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > > > > > > >For help: > > > >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > > > > > >List FAQ wiki page is located at: > > > > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > > > > > > > >List technical documents are available at: > > > > http://www.si-list.org > > > > > > > >List archives are viewable at: > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > > >or at our remote archives: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > > > >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > > > > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from si-list: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > > > For help: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > > List FAQ wiki page is located at: > > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > > > > List technical documents are available at: > > http://www.si-list.org > > > > List archives are viewable at: > > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > or at our remote archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu