In a message dated 7/8/2005 6:09:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxx writes: I would suspect that the reason there are not more titles on champions is time!! It takes a lot of time to train a dog. It takes a lot of time to show dogs and groom dogs and travel with dogs to shows. Carolyn and I have managed to get PTs on both Boss (AOE GV CH. MarHaven's Color Guard,TC,PT, for those not familiar with his nickname) and his son, Booker (AOE Select CH. Elvaston's Southern Byrne, TC, PT) We are currently working toward a Started title for Booker. BUT, it takes a lot of time to do these things, and often family business can interfere. For most, dogs are not their life, just a part of their life. My opinion, for what it's worth. Doris E Accessability has alot to do with it too. Not too many sheep in most nonrural areas and few in rural areas. I have to drive 3+ hours to find sheep to work now or pay 70.00 per hour which I am not prepared to do. We run a small construction business which is 24/7 on call. HIC on all the Champions is the best I can do right now. I use obedience to get my dogs to listen to me and follow certain commands. Any dog can be trained for basic obedience but CD's are nice if you have the time and patience to persue it which I don't. It's hard enough right now to scratch out a weekend for a show so we can relax without phones blaring all the time. Conformation is what I choose to do. The rest if I can get to it is gravy. The only true working dogs to me are those on the street, service dogs and the few who actually tend stock. NONE of those carry titles for the most part. The alphabet soup is nice, but give me the dog to research and watch. That is where I choose my breeders. Denise Groenewald _www.greenwoodshepherds.com_ (http://www.greenwoodshepherds.com/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================