There is nothing wrong with it...but the standard is for conformation, and we show in conformation and that is what the discussion is about. Bring working titles or anything to do with working dogs into the discussion changes the entire picture. I don't care if anyone works their dogs...I'd like to do herding but there is no place around here to do it. I did go-to-ground work with my Terriers...it's fun and they like it...but none of that is part of the discussion, and bringing working ability in to a discussion of specialty v. all breed is just grinding a personal axe and contributes nothing to the discussion. You are entitled to your opinion as to which titles are icing and which are meaningful, and so is everyone else, including me, but it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. peggy Tigra12@xxxxxxx wrote: >Personally, I find that extremely sad, as our breed is a working breed. The >Ch should be the icing on the cake, and the CD-UDX (Schutzhund dregrees, or >Herding titles included) should be the cake itself in my opinion. > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================