I am certainly not an expert on GSD longevity, but if I were to take the results from the 13 club submissions on which I worked There were relatively few submission for the first years, and LOTS more as the years went on. Now I ABSOLUTELY know that had nothing to do with how many dogs lived to be 13, but by the acceptance and increased submissions to the program. My point is without a science-based survey (not random questionnaires), nobody can say with any certainty whether dogs are living longer or not. We run into this in a lot more ways than in dogs longevity, disease prevalence, temperament improvement (or not). People have a point of view, and they invest a lot into maintaining that POV. I see it a LOT in legislation think of the politicians that can be absolutely convinced that there is a dog overpopulation and they go along legislation to curb dog breeding. I could go on . <G> Stormy On Jun 16, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Mike & Sheila Metz <Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > "Please tell me > that you have something more.............for their lives. Please tell me > their.......hasn't pinned their hopes to......." Stormy V. Hope https://www.facebook.com/GSDCA.LegislationAwareness https://www.facebook.com/CaRPOC.CaliforniaResponsiblePetOwnersCoalition ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================