Theresa, I know what you mean. In the toxic litter that I bred, I cried along with the owners of the dogs that died from bloat, torsion and toxic gut, all before they were 3 years old. It's the age of these deaths that bother me. Others that have died young that were bought and owned by me: 12 week old pup--toxic gut, 1 year old bitch--crippling hip dysplasia, 2 year old bitch--bloat, 2 year old male--heart attack, 5 year old bitch--bloat, 6 year old Champion male--torsion. My daughter Kwis lost 2 males that I bought: 5 year old--toxic gut, 8 year old Champion--pancreatic cancer. (I am NOT counting the older GSDs, who of course, passed on because of their senior status.) It's the age! AND I am NOT breeder-bashing. Heck, I'm a breeder (just not recently.) And I've come to realize that HD & ED are not all that bad--at least our dogs don't DIE from it. As a few other people said, there are no perfect dogs and never will be. But can't they live a wee bit longer? Penny in NC The Farm Dog Forever Yesterday a person I know saw my GSD again and she felt bad since as she told me she lost her 5 year old GSD in February to DM. She chose to buy his GSD as she liked mine so much and no she did not buy from a pet breeder. My intention is not to offend anyone but let people know there are more GSD's dying out there to diseases than most ssem to believe. Theresa ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================