Theresa, may I be so bold as to propose that all dogs are unhealthy. They all grow old, the all die of something. So do we people. There is a movement afoot to stop all breeding of pure bred dogs because they are unhealthy. But veterinarians exist and make a living by seeing a few pure bred dogs and a ton of just dogs. They all get sick, they all grow old, and they all die, some sooner than others. If our goal is only to eliminate all health issues, we are going to die of frustration and disillusionment. I just buried a Boss/Mandy daughter after almost 16 years of a wonderful life. Before her we buried her brother at 11 years. These are not the rule. These are the exceptions. They do not prove that my lines are better or worse than any others. They primarily serve to let me know that I am playing poker with the gene gods and sometimes I win and sometimes I loose. I honor those who do schutzhund but alas, after being a police officer for many years and being part of the K-9 program, it no longer interests me. I love to go to shows, compete with the big boys and occasionally win a show or two. I cannot prove that my dogs are better nor will I accept that they are worse. What I do know, is that they are mine, I love them and that's enough. I enjoy this crazy group of people who breed and show in the conformation world. They are diverse, I disagree with many of them on some things and it doesn't matter when we are at the show. It is a game we play and a hobby that occupies our time and takes away most of our money. What could be better than that? I am not sure there is an issue here worth arguing about, even though I do enjoy a good argument occasionally. People are different and have different interests. They select dogs that fit their interests. Although we like to think it is about the dogs, it may well be primarily about we who hold the leash. Is it possible that our differing perspectives and perceptions can garner 'facts' to prove our points and make us feel right, but in the end are just that - our perspectives and perceptions - neither right nor wrong, just ardently believed by us? I suspect that most of our discussions can be transcended by relaxing in that possibility. Conformation dogs are not everyone's cup of tea, but they are for some. So we play our game and have fun and there is nothing wrong with that. Dave .............................. Ok, first off I am not putting down breeders that care about the health and temperament of their dogs. I am not getting my information just from books and internet websites but actually have known people with the bloodlines of these dogs throughout the years. You see even though I am not a breeder myself I have had many friends that were and family members that also were. Afterall my father knew Lloyd Brackett personally as he lived near Allegan too and he also owned German Shepherds. I still know many caring breeders of German Shepherd Dogs some show their dogs, some don't as they own working GSD's. Sorry you and others take this personal as it is not meant to be. To stop rumors as most are stating is surfacing why not make facts avaliable to others of not having or having the health issues in the dogs they breed. The breeders I know and deal with do the testing available and let others know what is in their lines so not to pass it on further. Theresa -------------------------------------------- ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================