Then what are you attempting to do with your attacks on the foundations of our breed? We all want health and temperament; however, in addition, we want our dogs as closely as possible to conform to the standard. It would be ludicrous to believe one could wait until a dog is ten years old to decide to breed to him. I remember seeing Houston walking into the hotel the night before his first national. It was not necessary to see him in the ring in order to recognize greatness. The line breedings I made on Troll and Axel through Bonnie Bergere and Field Marshal produced no health or temperament problems nor have the several line breedings in recent years on Boss. The aim must always be for quality of the total dog and conformation to the standard. Carolyn ________________________________ From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> To: carolyn mckenna <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx>; "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:04 AM Subject: Re: question about showing Already explained this bought GSD's for my boys that were never planned to be bred. Listened to my vet to wait to spay the female went to work with husband deciding no harm to let them together. As far as poor structure they were of working lines not show lines. The working Police lines the sire came was were bred to work so didn't care about the show ring as doubt very few would be Police Officiers. As I wanted protection chose the working lines not American Show lines even though the sires pedigree went back to them on the dam side but she only lived to be 7 1/2. The sire lived to be a old dog with no problems I know of. The white GSD dam of the sable female also went back to working lines so bought her for that as my boys were not interested in showing dogs either. Remember I showed horses back in 1990's not dogs. Yes, they were closely linebreed but not planned and I paid the price as I lost 4 to the disease Hemangiosarcoma to what the sire died of at 11 and one to DM of what the dam was lost to in the dams lines. So see I know first hand what linebreeding too close results in. Has anyone ever counted some of the GSD's as I read someone did and got a thousand crosses back to the same dog. Theresa -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 9/12/13, carolyn mckenna <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: question about showing To: "scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx" <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx>, "d_fritsche@xxxxxxxxxx" <d_fritsche@xxxxxxxxxx>, "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Thursday, September 12, 2013, 10:40 AM Did you line breed, Theresa, or did faded color and poor structure just happen ?was this aplan ?Carolyn From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> To: "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:51 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: question about showing But who said to throw out Alex and Troll I was just commenting on all the linebreeding that was done on these Houston and Gotti . Go back and count all the times that Alex is in both dogs pedigree. I thought both Alex and Troll were wonderful GSD's it is not their fault how breeders overused them. Still will not understand why a few people can not see this reasoning. Theresa ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================