[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Standard- New Discussion
- From: "" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin" <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, candiasgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:35:29 -0500
DD..the standard says "In motion the curve(sabre) is accentuated and the
tail is raised...." if the curve is to be "accentuated" then a dead tail
that bounces off the hocks has no curve..nor can it raise to the proper
elevation in motion. Now to what degree a judge wants to penalize this I
suppose is up to him as the standard does not state this. We have all seen
tails that are hooked..carried to one side..or even cork screwed..these are
all common however all the aforementioned types of tails still are raised
in motion and act as a rudder even though they mar the general appearance
of the dog. A "dead tail" or "poker straight tail" on the other hand is
either fixed or as you say symptomatic of a more serious spinal problem.
However If I were judging..would I dump the total dog for a dog of much
lesser quality all the way around..I don't know.C.Grainger
> [Original Message]
> From: D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <candiasgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 7/11/2006 12:05:30 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Standard- New Discussion
>
> Candy = I agree with you about the "tail" problem but the discussion I
> wanted to start was about the Standard not mentioning the functions of the
> tail in motion. So you severely fault the tail you describe while the
next
> judge does not fault the same tail on the same dog the next day. Who is
> right? The Standard does not describe it as a fault. Should it be
faulted
> under the section in the Standard called GAIT? It states "Faults in gait,
> whether viewed from front, rear or side, are to be considered very serious
> faults. The problem with that is I have seen many dogs with the above
> mentioned "faulty" tail, gait without apparent interference from the
tail`s
> bouncing off the hocks. Is it cosmetically displeasing of functionally
> displeasing? Should a person severely fault a dog for reasons other than
> what is called for in the Standard? Inquiring minds want to know? D.D.
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> To: <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Standard- New Discussion
>
>
> > D.D.,
> >
> > "Dead" tails as you describe have really started bothering me the last
few
> > years. I mostly show in the all breeds but do get to a few specialties
> every
> > year. More and more I'm noticing tails that just hang and bounce off
the
> > hocks as well as dragging toes and locked hocks. I do feel that I'm
> seeing
> > more of a neurological problem than a fixed tail. This really scares
me.
> Of
> > course I'm no vet and don't now for a fact, but this is my opinion. I'm
> > currently trying to fulfill my requirements for my judges license and I
> can tell
> > you this will be something that I watch for and will be very critical
of.
> It's
> > been a pet peave of mine for quite awhile. And so far, the dogs that I
> have
> > personally seen with this problem go back to the same bloodlines.
> >
> > CandyZ
> >
> > From BFE Wyoming!
> >
> > > Listers- I think it is time to start a new discussion of the Standard
> and
> > > also time to stop the emerging nastiness on the List!
> > > The first discussion was on Teeth and bites and how the standard was
> > written
> > > and a discussion between undesirable and faults. Now lets read and
> > discuss
> > > the section on TAIL. Why pick such an unconventional topic when we
are
> a
> > > gaiting breed? I picked TAIL because of what this section did not
say.
> > > Nowhere does it state the function of the tail in motion, only how it
> should
> > > look at rest. It does not describe the tail placement/action when the
> dog
> > > is in motion. As a judge, I severely fault (there is that ugly word
> again)
> > > a tail that bounces off the hock and falls to the ground when not
> bouncing
> > > off the hocks. I don`t think the tail we see today like I described
is
> the
> > > result of surgical correction. I think it is probably a neuromuscular
> > > problem in the spine. One of the reasons I say this it that most of
> these
> > > affected animals can swing their tails from side to side when excited.
> The
> > > problem is when they are gaiting.
> > > This action is not mentioned in the Standard, so my question is,
should
> > > this be severely faulted even though it is not mentioned in the
> Standard?
> > > A follow up question is should this be added to the Standard? I await
> your
> > > suggestions and comments. Be nice!! D.D.
> > >
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