Hi Bill and Barbara, Actually, I love the idea of an oral critique. As a gaited horse show judge, I haven't any problem walking up to the microphone and giving reasons for placing a class. When I take over the responsibilites of the IJA Director of Horse Show Judges, one of my main implementations is going to require all IJA Judges to give at least 2 oral critiques at the show. Many times, Judges can place because of a handler/trainer, sometimes judges place because they spread the wealth out. If anything, I want to keep the IJA panel "honest". Giving reasons for placing a class--should they be valid-- seperates the wheat from the chaffe. I really feel strongly about this as if a person is charged for handing out the wins and ribbons, they should be further charged in to their reasonings " I like the other one" or " Just cause" doesn't cut it. I want to hear (1) what the judge took into consideration (2) how close he or she judged to the breed standard (3) explain form and function and able to pick it out and (4) recognize and reward proper breed type. Very few judges can do this. Of course, you cannot say, "I placed this dog last because he Sucked"... No, you will get a letter to AKC or (IJA) before the shows over, but I have found it handy to use comparison such as, "Dog b, placed seconded as he moved well on his front and rear and extended and suspended beatifully with front reach and rear drive, standing he presents a beautiful outline and oozes breed type, while Dog C didnt have as much reach and drive and, for obvious reasons, rounded out the class"... Its not a matter of what you say, but your positioning. As a person with a horse background and judging livestock, it makes you a much better judge and keeps you on track for your reasonings.. then sometimes, when judges say stupid things, you really have to ask yourself, Did i really need to get into this guy's head? Mike ====================== www.BlackHawk-Farms.com Northern California American Saddlebred Horse Association Vice President (Class of 2007) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================