[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Oral Critiique at the Show - some thoughts
- From: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxx>
- To: <BARBMARKH@xxxxxxx>, <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:08:15 -0700
Hi Barbara......
No one is wanting a long dissertation.......<G> ......just a quick comment on
why he
or she has
the dogs placed in the order they are in......it seems simple and not all that
complicated or
offensive. Surely the class winners can deal with that?
Is it an A.K.C. rule as you stated.......or just discouraged by A.K.C.??
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
From: <BARBMARKH@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Oral Critiique at the Show - some thoughts
> The idea of oral critiques - given in the ring by the judge to ringside - has
> been discussed many times over the years that I have been showing. I
> remember times when a judge would give a little critique while giving out the
> ribbons
> - and every one would scramble to be close to hear what was said about their
> dog - But I think the following thinks need to enter into this discussion -
> A. The AKC really frowns on this practice - in most of the judging interviews
> given by the AKC reps they even mention - very strongly - NOT to offer any
> critiques in the ring. I realize that we have few specialties where one might
> find an AKC rep - however - do we wish to encourage judges to deviate from AKC
> rules?
>
> B. A few years ago - at a National - one of the judges gave a critique at
> the end of each class - to the audience - and very few people were happy about
> it. Some people were very upset about what was said about their dog.
>
> C. How should the judge decide what to say and what not to say about a given
> dog - do they stick to comments about movement or type - or do they mention
> missing teeth or off bites? Does the judge mention a tail he/she thought
> might
> be dead or worse fixed - what does he say if the dog was say "falling into his
> shoulder" - since Bill pointed out that most people at ringside are
> "knowledgeable" - if the judge faults/comments on a dogs movement - front or
> rear -
> will this help to educate people - or do the educated people at ringside
> already
> think they know -- And the judge doesn't. When we enter under a judge (pay
> money in other words) and the judge places a class -- we are getting the
> judges
> opinion -- aren't we?
>
> D. If a judge gives a critique -- and other judges are outside of the ring
> -- will it influence the judging of another show? Or if one of those judges
> already judged the dog being critiqued will that cause a problem . . . If a
> novice shows a dog -- and the judge critiques his animal -- is it possible he
> won't
> ever want to put his beloved dog (or any other he owns) in the ring ever
> again. How about a Jr. handler -- showing his dog -- does he really want to
> hear
> how his beloved dog compares to the others - I've seen some leave the ring in
> tears (some come back -- some don't).
>
> I could go on - but let me add just one more thing - while attending a
> circuit a few years ago - the judges and exhibitors had one of those
> delightful
> after Saturday show dinners where the judges are asked to give a critique of
> the
> dogs they put up - the distinguished Mr. Evan Ginsburg was going to judge on
> Sunday and since we wouldn't be getting together after the Sunday show - he
> gave his critique on Saturday night - it was wonderful - and just as
> pertinent as
> the one given by the judge that did the Saturday show - I think I learned a
> very valuable lesson about critiques that weekend.
>
>
> Barb Hefner
>
>
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