[sac-board] Re: Cherry Rd & NASP

  • From: "Gene A. Lucas" <geneluca@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,"\"Lucas, Gene\" work" <gene.lucas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:49:57 -0700

Maybe the problem is that PAC is operating in a vacuum, so to speak, and
is NOT getting any feedback from the other state clubs.  But then, I
don't recall getting any e-mail or calls from anybody up there,
including Gary Frey.  They all know I have been very active in
organizing several of the western US events for many years.  How about
the other club officers -- any recent contacts re: NASP planning?

SaguaroAstro@xxxxxxx wrote:
> All,
> Somehow I knew this was going to be a Credance Clearwater Situation (Bad
> things arisin'). I think we need to make contact with Rancher dude and make 
> sure
> he knows we had nothing to do with the events this weekend. Also we should 
> find
> a way to contact him (phone) just in case something like this happens in the
> future. We can be proactive and let him know it ain't us.
> As much as I like to get along with other clubs (and I think the astro
> community in AZ is pretty tight) I have to say PAC sure seemed hell bent on 
> stepping
> on toes here. There disregard for common courtesy and etiquette seems
> puzzling at best, downright rude at worst. I can say with reasonable 
> certainty I
> probably will not attend any of their functions in the future.
> Rick
> In a message dated 5/31/2003 11:13:34 US Mountain Standard Time,
> starstarcracker@xxxxxxxxx writes:
> > Hey All,
> >
> > Yes, here's the jist of that situation...We drove by Cherry Rd to see how
> > crowded NASP was going to be so Chuck and I would have a possible
> > alternative to MMSS.  First thing we noted was the gate was wedged wide
> > open.  We pulled over to mention this to who I assume was Gary Frey.  He was
> > pretty insistant that he had the situation under control and that the gate
> > would be OK left open.  We mentioned the incident in which Jack Jones was
> > "lectured by men in cowboy hats" to which Gary replied,  "I've got a cowboy
> > hat too, I'll put it on and discuss it if the rancher comes by."  or
> > something similar to that.  He was insistent that it was BLM land, and it
> > was a campsite, and that it was out of the rancher's hands, despite our
> > protests that it was the rancher's cattle, even if it was BLM land.  Our
> > parting statement was to the effect that we hoped that we wouldn't come up
> > next month to find a padlock on the gate.  I felt that Chuck and I handled
> > it politely, and while Gary wasn't hostile, he certainly wasn't cooperative
> > what so ever, in fact, you might even call him indignant about the whole
> > thing.
> >
> > My concern is this....we need to let PAC know that this was inappropriate
> > given that Jennifer let Marilyn know that this was a specific issue with SAC
> > and the rancher.  They KNEW that in advance, and yet it was unheeded.  What
> > should our course of action be in this regard?  A terse letter to PAC?
> > Contact the rancher directly?  Can we and the rancher agree to lock the gate
> > and only us/him have the key?  Contact our congressperson?  Midnite raid on
> > PAC headquarters?
> >
> > While there are other sites than Cherry up north, I really, really don't
> > want to lose this one, and we need to make it clear that the gate has to
> > stay closed at all times, no matter what event or which club is there.
> >
> > Thad
> >
> Rick Tejera
> Editor SACnews
> Saguaro Astronomy Club
> Phoenix, Arizona
> SaguaroAstro@xxxxxxx
> www.saguaroastro.org

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