Maybe the problem is that PAC is operating in a vacuum, so to speak, and is NOT getting any feedback from the other state clubs. But then, I don't recall getting any e-mail or calls from anybody up there, including Gary Frey. They all know I have been very active in organizing several of the western US events for many years. How about the other club officers -- any recent contacts re: NASP planning? Gene (17250) SaguaroAstro@xxxxxxx wrote: > > All, > Somehow I knew this was going to be a Credance Clearwater Situation (Bad > things arisin'). I think we need to make contact with Rancher dude and make > sure > he knows we had nothing to do with the events this weekend. Also we should > find > a way to contact him (phone) just in case something like this happens in the > future. We can be proactive and let him know it ain't us. > > As much as I like to get along with other clubs (and I think the astro > community in AZ is pretty tight) I have to say PAC sure seemed hell bent on > stepping > on toes here. There disregard for common courtesy and etiquette seems > puzzling at best, downright rude at worst. I can say with reasonable > certainty I > probably will not attend any of their functions in the future. > > Rick > > In a message dated 5/31/2003 11:13:34 US Mountain Standard Time, > starstarcracker@xxxxxxxxx writes: > > > Hey All, > > > > Yes, here's the jist of that situation...We drove by Cherry Rd to see how > > crowded NASP was going to be so Chuck and I would have a possible > > alternative to MMSS. First thing we noted was the gate was wedged wide > > open. We pulled over to mention this to who I assume was Gary Frey. He was > > pretty insistant that he had the situation under control and that the gate > > would be OK left open. We mentioned the incident in which Jack Jones was > > "lectured by men in cowboy hats" to which Gary replied, "I've got a cowboy > > hat too, I'll put it on and discuss it if the rancher comes by." or > > something similar to that. He was insistent that it was BLM land, and it > > was a campsite, and that it was out of the rancher's hands, despite our > > protests that it was the rancher's cattle, even if it was BLM land. Our > > parting statement was to the effect that we hoped that we wouldn't come up > > next month to find a padlock on the gate. I felt that Chuck and I handled > > it politely, and while Gary wasn't hostile, he certainly wasn't cooperative > > what so ever, in fact, you might even call him indignant about the whole > > thing. > > > > My concern is this....we need to let PAC know that this was inappropriate > > given that Jennifer let Marilyn know that this was a specific issue with SAC > > and the rancher. They KNEW that in advance, and yet it was unheeded. What > > should our course of action be in this regard? A terse letter to PAC? > > Contact the rancher directly? Can we and the rancher agree to lock the gate > > and only us/him have the key? Contact our congressperson? Midnite raid on > > PAC headquarters? > > > > While there are other sites than Cherry up north, I really, really don't > > want to lose this one, and we need to make it clear that the gate has to > > stay closed at all times, no matter what event or which club is there. > > > > Thad > > > > Rick Tejera > Editor SACnews > Saguaro Astronomy Club > Phoenix, Arizona > SaguaroAstro@xxxxxxx > www.saguaroastro.org