[roc-chat] Re: Separate LPR area at ROCtober
- From: Richard Dierking <richard.dierking@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:33:56 -0700
The RSO and PM should be faced toward the range just like the LCO. The flight
card board needs to be redone. There should always be a Spotter to assist the
LCO.
Richard
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On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:31 PM, David Erbas-White <derbas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 6/26/2012 2:58 PM, Mike Riss wrote:
>> I'm not sure that waiting for 30 minutes is necessarily bad. It's surely
>> not optimum, but if
>> there are 45+ pads, and if almost every pad is occupied, that's something
>> less than 1 minute
>> processing time per pad.
>>
>
> Please note that I never said that every pad was occupied, simply that it is
> very common to wait 30 minutes (or more!) for a launch. At ROCStock last
> November, I had one rocket sitting on the pad for an hour and fifteen minutes
> -- so I was being 'conservative' with the 30 minute comment. I also tried to
> point out that if the banks of pads were actually CYCLED in order, that much
> (if not all) of the problem would be alleviated - the point being that a bank
> of pads is often overlooked for extended periods of time. It's along the
> lines of (for example) all banks being launched multiple times EXCEPT the
> rack that I'm on.
>
> I do my best to NOT comment to the LCO or PM about overlooking banks of pads,
> because I don't want to discourage folks from doing those jobs, and those few
> times I have made comments it's generally not even been my rocket on the pad
> (something along the lines of, "Hey, that purple rocket on pad 24 has been
> sitting there for a while, hasn't it?").
>
> I'll point out that sometimes a rocket is ignored when you have one or two
> small, unpainted, almost invisible rockets on the middle pads -- and the LCO
> isn't even aware that there are rockets sitting there waiting for launch. In
> this situation, it's extremely important for the PM to ensure that those
> cards are given to the LCO so they don't sit there forever.
>
> I'm personally convinced that whatever system is implemented simply needs to
> be one that 'reminds' the LCO/PM about cycling the pads in order -- that's
> what Rick's comment was about, what the 'Starbucks timer' method was about,
> and my suggestion of a 'gizmo' that gets reset by the arming signal. Bottom
> line is that (and I KNOW I'm guilty of this myself) the LCO will tend to
> launch the rack that looks to be the fullest -- even if another rack with
> fewer rockets has been waiting longer.
>
> Just sitting here writing this I thought of another Rube Goldberg method -- a
> flashing light at each bank. This light will be initiated by a timer that is
> triggered by the first press of a continuity button on the given bank, and
> will be reset by arming a row. Here's how it works -- assume an empty bank,
> no rockets. So, no flashing (ever). Someone comes out, puts a rocket on a
> pad. They check continuity by pushing the button. This starts a (for
> example) 10-minute timer. Second guy comes up five minutes later, puts a
> rocket, presses the continuity button. This DOES NOT reset the timer. Ten
> minutes after the first guy has put his rocket on the pad, the flashing light
> out at the pads starts blinking (could be duplicated at the control panel, as
> well). This tells one and all (LCO/PM and rocketeers) that this bank is 'due
> for launch', and no more rockets should be placed. The LCO arms the pad,
> which shuts off/resets the light, he launches the bank, and the light remains
> off until the next rocket is placed on the bank. If there are five banks
> with flashing lights, well, then there are at least five banks that have had
> a rocket sitting for at least ten minutes -- and the LCO should be launching
> those banks and ignoring any non-flashing banks.
>
> Over to you... <G>
>
> David Erbas-White
>
>
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