[pure-silver] Re: archives
- From: "Karl Wolz" <wolzphoto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:40:30 -0700
Matthew,
Unfortunately, the issue is not one of usage or one of ego. It is
simply a matter of liability on the part of Tim or Jim or whoever has
custody of anyone's writings who does not have blanket permission to
republish those writings. I would never presume that my scratchings are
specifically fighting for, but I would fight tooth and nail over my
RIGHTS to those writings. Anyone who cavalierly decides to republish
the original work of another without such permission is a fool, and Tim
and Jim have convinced me that they are definitely NOT foolish.
Rob,
It is NOT incumbent on me to further protect my works from illicit
reproduction by declaring that I own the copyright of what I am sending
to the list. My writings are protected by copyright law. There may be
some room for interpretation of that law, but basically, what I produce
is mine, unless I abrogate the aforementioned copyright.
"If YOU want YOUR messages to be copyright protected then YOU take
responsibility for them and don't try to dump the responsibility onto
someone else."
I do, and will use the full extent of the law to protect MY right to
maintain MY ownership of MY intellectual properties, should those
properties be deemed by ME to be worth protecting - my ramblings on this
list are not, so feel free to quote me.
Karl Wolz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Matthew Gaylen
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:25 PM
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: archives
>
> cods wollop indeed...
>
> I find it more than a little bit arrogant that you think you've said
anything in the
> archives that would 1) be worth stealing, 2) selling and 3) be worth
pursuing for
> recompense.
>
> Most people who want a cd of the archives want it mostly so they can
refer to topics
> that have been covered before, like how to obtain sulphuric acid or
how to dissolve
> crystalized TF-4 or what a halide is and how it mates with ions etc.
>
> Nobody said they wanted to sell the archives to make money, the market
force here
> is people who want to refer to the archived information so they don't
ask redundant
> questions...
>
> In reality the market demand is probably something like 50 archive CDs
for $10--I
> can't imagine it would be worth any one contributor's time to pursue
reimbursement
> and I can't believe there's a lawyer or court in the land that would
take the case.
>
> <sigh>
> --
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 10, 2004, at 04:35PM, Rob Champagne
> <psps@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >cods wallop!
> >
> >YOU should be declaring that YOU own the copyright of what YOU are
sending to
> the list. How do we know that what YOU are sending to the list is not
in breach of
> someone else's copyright.
> >If YOU want YOUR messages to be copyright protected then YOU take
> responsibility for them and don't try to dump the responsibility onto
someone else.
> >If YOU were true to YOUR word YOU would be doing this but YOU are
not. This is
> clearly a case of "Do what I say but not what I do".
> >
> >give it a rest...
> >
> >rob
> >
> >At 10/09/2004 17:12 -0400, you wrote:
> >>From: DarkroomMagic <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Subject: [pure-silver] Re: archives
> >>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:44:54 +0200
> >>
> >>> This is a purely hypothetical discussion anyway.
> >>
> >>Not really. If this were an empty issue, then there would be lots
of
> >>pure-silver CD-ROM's openly distributed by now. I don't think this
is
> >>much different from the need for model release form, property
release
> >>form, prints delivery form to galleries, license of rights for stock
> >>images, etc. Even when I shoot my friend for favor, I always ask for
a
> >>release and give them pretty much unlimited license for use of their
> >>images right away. They may need this when they print their images
> >>immediately or some time in the future. In my view, archiving a
> >>mailing list is not much different.
> >>
> >>Copyright related issues and licensing are a part of daily life of
> >>artists among others, so there are many resources online and in
> >>books/newsletters/magazines. There are many canned license forms
that
> >>you can use with minimal editing for most routine work. Only in
those
> >>unusual circumstances you might want to draft something and have
> >>lawyers review it, but those resources tell you what kinds of things
> >>are important to include.
> >>
> >>I do typographic work, making posters, and other printing related
> >>stuff for my projects from time to time. If I try to print a poster
> >>with a decent printing company, they need to know in writing we have
> >>proper licensing of rights with the original artists. This sort of
> >>things are very common in many aspects of creative activities, and I
> >>understand some of them are necessary mechanisms to protect original
> >>work.
> >>
> >>But there are other negative aspects of copyright, which I should
save
> >>for some other time.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Ryuji Suzuki
> >>"Keep a good head and always carry a light camera."
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