[pure-silver] Re: How do I increase local contrast in my shadows when printing?
- From: Lee Carmichael <click76112@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:55:01 -0500
Eric,
I am not suggesting that you did not. I am suggesting that would be
the best route to take in this situation. :)
lee\c
At 07:43 PM 9/21/2005, you wrote:
Lee, I did suggest a reshoot in my first post. There are some times, even if
it is a landscape that it just won't be the same. As far as 35mm and
registration with the neg, most of the recommendation that I made were to be
done at the easel and not within the neg carrier. You are most certainly
correct that registration is more difficult the smaller you work.
Eric Neilsen Photography
4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226
214-827-8301
http://ericneilsenphotography.com
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> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lee Carmichael
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> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: How do I increase local contrast in my shadows
> when printing?
>
>
> Wouldn't the best way to deal with this problem be to shoot the scene
> again and think about how the film is developed and pay particular
> attention to the tonalities in the scene and how best render to them
> . We all seem to be just touching the edges of the issue. If I am
> not mistaken this neg is a 35mm and that would pose huge problems for
> me to create a mask and then register it. This is not to say that
> the techniques are not valid just maybe not a efficient as needed in
> this instance.
>
> lee\c
>
>
> At 05:39 PM 9/21/2005, you wrote:
> >I would NEVER try to project an ink jet created mask/ negative. The
> material
> >is meant to be used as a contact process. I have made mask and taped them
> in
> >place on top of my easel blades. This requires a steady approach and use
> of
> >an UnSharp mask, slightly out of focus. This gives me the ability to make
> >very specific dodge and burns and get focus and grain from the original
> >negative. I also use ruby lith this same way although occasionally I will
> >put it into the negative carrier, but only as a broad light block and not
> as
> >a contrast mask. Since I use a RIP, I am getting a smaller and less
> >noticeable dot pattern. It looks very smooth as a print or contact neg,
> but
> >I really do not want to use it as a neg mask for projection.
> >
> >For that I might try pan masking film ( I still have some) or Tech Pan (
> >ditto) or an ortho film like Ilford's Ortho Plus. Done once to decrease
> and
> >done twice ( negative again) to increase) contrast.
> >)
> >
> >You could trace your blades from the windmill and flash the ruby mask
> that
> >is sitting on the paper surface with a flash or paint with light. My old
> >Omega enlarger does not use square filters but rather a rounded end with
> cut
> >corner so I have several piece that I can put in the flash light to
> adjust
> >the quality of black, a very subtle change of burn time and effect on
> >surrounding light spill
> >
> >
> >Eric Neilsen Photography
> >4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
> >Dallas, TX 75226
> >214-827-8301
> >http://ericneilsenphotography.com
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [<mailto:pure-silver->mailto:pure-silver-
> > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Len Eselson
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 10:28 AM
> > > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: How do I increase local contrast in my
> shadows
> > > when printing?
> > >
> > > Eric, thanks for your response.
> > >
> > > I was projecting the mask as a sandwich with the neg. I had tried
> > > several printers including an Epson 2200. However the problem was
> > > clearly in the material I was using which was the clear version from
> > > Pictorino,
> > > Kodak, or IBM. The Pictorino was the best of the three, but when
> examined
> > > with a loop, the pattern on the surface was clearly visible- so the
> > > printer
> > > was blameless. Remember that I was using MF, so that the enlargement
> > > ratio was at least 8X.
> > >
> > > Have you looked at the frosted or white material under a loop and
> detected
> > > any pattern ?
> > >
> > > Rgds
> > >
> > > Len Eselson
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:49:07 -0500, Eric Neilsen Photography wrote:
> > >
> > > >Len, Are you trying to project it as a sandwich or are you using it
> at
> > > the
> > > >paper plane/easel? Printed with what printer? Rip?
> > >
> > > >The frosted or white material from Pictorico not the clear is what
> you
> > > want
> > > >to try first. Although, I have used a clear material from Photo
> Warehouse
> > > >with the Cone inks, output with an Epson 7000, and running with Image
> > > Print
> > > >6.0. I use that set up for making enlarged negs for platinum
> printing. I
> > > >also use it occasionally to make mask, but thank goodness, only a few
> > > time.
> > > >
> > > >Another tool that is very handy to make black, is small flash light
> with
> > > an
> > > >attachment available at auto parts stores. I also use it as a
> portable
> > > safe
> > > >light by inserting a small piece of rubylith and making the light
> red.
> > > Works
> > > >great for finding misplaced items in the dark, as long as it is not
> the
> > > >misplaced item : )
> > >
> > >
> > > >Eric Neilsen Photography
> > > >4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
> > > >Dallas, TX 75226
> > > >214-827-8301
> > > >http://ericneilsenphotography.com
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [<mailto:pure-silver->mailto:pure-silver-
> ><mailto:pure-silver->> >> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Len Eselson
> > > >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:10 PM
> > > >> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Eric Neilsen Photography
> > > >> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: How do I increase local contrast in my
> > > shadows
> > > >> when printing?
> > > >>
> > > >> I had tried making digital masks for 2 1/4 negs, enlarged around
> 8X,
> > > >> but had problems with finding a suitable masking material for my
> ink-
> > > jet
> > > >> printer. All the transparency materials I tried, including the one
> most
> > > >> recommended, Pictorico, had a surface material which was deposited
> > > >> as an array of dots, and this showed in the final print when
> enlarged.
> > > >>
> > > >> Any one know of more suitable materials.
> > > >>
> > > >> Rgds
> > > >>
> > > >> Len Eselson
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:36:25 -0500, Eric Neilsen Photography wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >I find nothing wrong with making a digital
> > > >> >mask but this also requires a skill set.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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