In a message dated 9/18/2005 10:06:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, peter.badcock@xxxxxxxxx writes: Hi there, I was printing up a photo tonight, from a roll of 35mm HIE and I have a dark windmill set against a blue sky. Because I had an R72 (89b) IR Filter on, the blue sky is very dark - which is quite typical of IR shots. The film has already been developed and I am now printing using Ilford MG IV RC pearl paper. Even if I use a grade 5 filter, I can't seen to get sufficient contrast between the dark sky and the windmill blades. I can scan the print in tomorrow if it helps woth suggestions, but without changing paper brands or doing (selenium) toning, is there anything else I could try to get an increase in local contrast to make the windmill blades stand out more against the sky? regards Peter There is a whole subject of Split Grade Printing with hundreds of disciples who will, I'm sure, give you specific directions. Simply put it is a system where you determine your highlight exposure in terms of contrast and your shadow exposure in terms of density. Your contrast exposure is found using a "0 Grade" filter by step wedge with the Yellow filter and then the density ("Grade 5") is applied on top of the contrast exposure with the Magenta filter. The density (Magenta) step wedge is found on top of the decided upon Yellow exposure. As I said, there are many advocates of Split Grade printing, I am just one and I'm sure there are some who will disagree with my explanation, but that's what makes the world go around. Bruce Brooklyn, NY camclicker@xxxxxxx www.camclicker.com