----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Valvo" <dvalvo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:18 PM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Any news from Ilford? > Richard, the truth is that Ilford RC papers with a full > slug of ID would > degrade within 6 months of processing. What happens is > the ID is not locked > into the emulsion. It leaches through the resin layer > into the paper fibers > as it sits in the box before processing. After > processing, the ID within > the paper begins to oxidize and turns a pinky color with > increased Dmin > visible from both sides. Kodak RC papers never had this > problem because > their paper fibers contain antioxidants to neutralize any > ID that migrates. > Thus Ilford, with Deluxe paper, removed most of their ID > from their paper > but left a little in for shelf life pre-process stability. > You should be > able to detect it with the carbonate solution (high pH) > Ryuji suggests. > Some natural age tests I have run on Ilford Deluxe RC > papers show the defect > is still there but to a much, much lesser extent and it > takes a longer time > to be visible. > > > Dave > I have old (about ten to fifteen years) Kodak and Agfa RC prints which do not show this degradation. I don't see it on old Ilford papers either but don't know for certain which, if any, had DI in them. The one paper I do see the pink-brown discoloration is Arista, which is Kentmere in disguise. Again, I don't know if it was DI or not. --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.