Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages

  • From: "Niran" <public.niran@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:32:18 +0530

Oh, I forgot about "Cold Fusion".
And thanks for reminding me that asp.net is not a language *smile*
I should have used something like
"languages like php, perl, rubi etc and platform like .net. "
Right?
-N http://nirandas.com
"Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand." - Martin Fowler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages


There is also Cold Fusion which is used for creating web sites.
And of course, asp and asp.net are not languages but interfaces. The languages that can be used with asp and asp.net are VB, C#, perl... 

Octavian
----- Original Message ----- From: "Niran" <public.niran@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages



What about web servers. Does apache supports it? IIS?
I can't think anyone using c++ to write websites for so I wonder anyone will 
use lisp etc for it.
BTW, Does anyone know any websites developed in other languages than normal 
once like php, asp.net, rubi, python, perl, java etc.
-N http://nirandas.com
"Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers
write code that humans can understand." - Martin Fowler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages



Are there frameworks for developing web apps, libraries that can help
creating apps for the web? Is it easy to use with databases? Are there
object relational mapping (ORMS) that could be used with it? Are there
many templating systems that can be used with it? Are there AJAX libraries 
that can be used easy with it? (Like Prototype/Scriptaculous).

Thanks.

Octavian
----- Original Message ----- From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages



both and more.

It is very good for a.i. and web semantics.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages
For those who never seen a lisp program, please tell us what is good lisp 
for.

For creating Windows destop programs? For creating web apps? For
something else?

Thanks.

Octavian
----- Original Message ----- From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages



please, look at some examples in lisp.
More than that I recomand you to see some web semantic examples in lisp. 
This is the best language to suport the learning feature.
and this learning feature is one of the most important in A.I.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricks Place" <OFBGMail@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages



Thanks Guys:
First, This project sounds like an extreme challange but  you guys and
Old
WillPearson use to talk about this stuff while I was still trying to
learn
what a class, method and property were.So thanks for putting up with
what
must seem to be really basic questions in an area I am not likely
qualified to even scratch the surface of.I get Perceptrons. The math
surrounding the more complex applications sounds daunting including
Matrix
Algebra upto Chaos Theory etc ( I can't remember how to spell Gausian
and
even the names of a couple of other mathfields mentioned ).
I made it through the Calc series but any math beyond there I would
have
to learn from e-books, or articles, and I'm not sure how possible that
would be.
The Perceptron articles I read used figures, pictures, for many
examples
and formulas and they did not have any examples for beginning
programmers
to code up.
So, LISP is the way to go eh? Do you remember any good primers on
building
very beginner orientated AI Neural Network applications with
programming
examples to try out in any language?
Simple single layer forward only, oh darn, you know the right words...
Note, I do not mind buying a e-book if it's accessible.
I will research LISP on Google, do you have a favorite flavor, compiler 
or
whatever development environment you use?
I am still trying to figure out if I can learn  enough AI to create a
Neural Network tuned to do some Stock Market Analysis to augment my own 
Fundemental Analysis techniques.
Rick USA
Rick USA
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: Neural Networks, Programming Languages



Please email me off list:

sbahram@xxxxxxxxx

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:28 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages

I am interested in evry kind of documentationon lisp so if you can
ofer
something...
More than the language it self, lisp ofer a variety of dialects
(scheme)
or
other like it.
I remember that I don't know at all tcl/tk, but with my lisp knowledge 
I
was

able to debug a program in tcl/tk.
So if you have any good book on lisp and you are so kind to share it
with
me, i wait for it.
I use lisp in my programming job.
best regards
Black Ares
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:04 PM
Subject: RE: Neural Networks, Programming Languages



To comment a little on this.

Lisp is not a functional programming language. It supports a myriad
of
programming styles which is why it has survived and thrived in some
instances for over 50 years.

Lisp supports functional, procedural, logical, aspect oriented, and
object
oriented styles just to name a very small few.

Also, it is truly a wonderful language. In less than 300 lines of
code,
I
was able to write a distributed evolutionary algorithm to do the
class
of
traveling salesman like problems efficiently and quite nicely.
As another example, the entire prolog language was implmented in lisp 
in
the
back of my introduction to lisp book, for example. Some of the three
and
five liners in lisp are truly mind blowing.
*chuckling*, and folks think I'm a java guy, *snicker*, man do I have 
them
fooled.

I wish I had an opportunity to use lisp on a daily basis.

Take care,
Sina

________________________________

From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black
ares
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:56 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages


You can make A.I. even with visual c#, but you must make a lot of
code.
There are other programming paradigms more dedicated to this.
1. Functional programming (represented by lisp/scheme)
2. Logical programming (represented by prolog)

for example a gcd calculation in prolog will look like:
gcd(x,0,X).
gcd(X,Y,D):-R is X MOD Y,gcd(Y,R,D).

Thats all
now you can make
gcd(15,5,X).
and in d you will have the result.

Compare this with a traditional procedural/oop programming euclid
algorithm
and you will see the benefits.
For having A.I. is necessary to have the learning capability in your
software
that means that a method have to change is behavior from a calling to 
another.
To be more explicit let say we have a method that receive 2
parameters
x and y to integers
at first call the method returns the sum of the two numbers.
Some where in time at another call the same method with same
parameters
have
to return the product of the two integers.
that according to some lines which are between those two calls.
And this change in behavior must be not predictiv
so you can not do an if in the method and according to an conditon
return
either the sum or the product.
For this situation functional programming respond better than other
paradigms.
Because in a functional programming language you can modify the body
of
a
function easy from call to call.
in c# in dotnet 2.0 this is posible only using reflection.
dotnet 3.0 introduced 2 new things that I like very much
1. linq
2. f#

Also you can find on the net libraries written for c# used to
interpret
lisp/prolog.
I worked with some of them in time to get faster results.

best regards.
bBlack Ares
----- Original Message ----- From: Ricks Place <mailto:OFBGMail@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:40 PM
Subject: Neural Networks, Programming Languages

Hi Guys:
Just looking at overviews of how Neural Networks are used to predict
Stock Market movements. Is the AI done an any language like Vb.net or 
are
there specific Programming languages used here. I am just looking at
the
possibilities to see if my programming and math knowledge would allow 
me
to
play with them some.
I have a good background in math, stats and Vb.net and can, of
course, learn other things if necessary but what might they be?
Rick USA


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