Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages

  • From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:29:43 +0300

There is also Cold Fusion which is used for creating web sites.
And of course, asp and asp.net are not languages but interfaces. The languages 
that can be used with asp and asp.net are VB, C#, perl...

Octavian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Niran" <public.niran@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages


> What about web servers. Does apache supports it? IIS?
> I can't think anyone using c++ to write websites for so I wonder anyone will 
> use lisp etc for it.
> BTW, Does anyone know any websites developed in other languages than normal 
> once like php, asp.net, rubi, python, perl, java etc.
> -N http://nirandas.com
> "Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers 
> write code that humans can understand." - Martin Fowler
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 12:22 AM
> Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages
> 
> 
>> Are there frameworks for developing web apps, libraries that can help 
>> creating apps for the web? Is it easy to use with databases? Are there 
>> object relational mapping (ORMS) that could be used with it? Are there 
>> many templating systems that can be used with it? Are there AJAX libraries 
>> that can be used easy with it? (Like Prototype/Scriptaculous).
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Octavian
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages
>>
>>
>>> both and more.
>>>
>>> It is very good for a.i. and web semantics.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages
>>>
>>>
>>> For those who never seen a lisp program, please tell us what is good lisp 
>>> for.
>>>
>>> For creating Windows destop programs? For creating web apps? For 
>>> something else?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Octavian
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages
>>>
>>>
>>>> please, look at some examples in lisp.
>>>> More than that I recomand you to see some web semantic examples in lisp.
>>>> This is the best language to suport the learning feature.
>>>> and this learning feature is one of the most important in A.I.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Ricks Place" <OFBGMail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:52 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Guys:
>>>>> First, This project sounds like an extreme challange but  you guys and 
>>>>> Old
>>>>> WillPearson use to talk about this stuff while I was still trying to 
>>>>> learn
>>>>> what a class, method and property were.So thanks for putting up with 
>>>>> what
>>>>> must seem to be really basic questions in an area I am not likely
>>>>> qualified to even scratch the surface of.I get Perceptrons. The math
>>>>> surrounding the more complex applications sounds daunting including 
>>>>> Matrix
>>>>> Algebra upto Chaos Theory etc ( I can't remember how to spell Gausian 
>>>>> and
>>>>> even the names of a couple of other mathfields mentioned ).
>>>>> I made it through the Calc series but any math beyond there I would 
>>>>> have
>>>>> to learn from e-books, or articles, and I'm not sure how possible that
>>>>> would be.
>>>>> The Perceptron articles I read used figures, pictures, for many 
>>>>> examples
>>>>> and formulas and they did not have any examples for beginning 
>>>>> programmers
>>>>> to code up.
>>>>> So, LISP is the way to go eh? Do you remember any good primers on 
>>>>> building
>>>>> very beginner orientated AI Neural Network applications with 
>>>>> programming
>>>>> examples to try out in any language?
>>>>> Simple single layer forward only, oh darn, you know the right words...
>>>>> Note, I do not mind buying a e-book if it's accessible.
>>>>> I will research LISP on Google, do you have a favorite flavor, compiler 
>>>>> or
>>>>> whatever development environment you use?
>>>>> I am still trying to figure out if I can learn  enough AI to create a
>>>>> Neural Network tuned to do some Stock Market Analysis to augment my own
>>>>> Fundemental Analysis techniques.
>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:51 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: Neural Networks, Programming Languages
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please email me off list:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sbahram@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>> Sina
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:28 PM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am interested in evry kind of documentationon lisp so if you can 
>>>>>> ofer
>>>>>> something...
>>>>>> More than the language it self, lisp ofer a variety of dialects 
>>>>>> (scheme)
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> other like it.
>>>>>> I remember that I don't know at all tcl/tk, but with my lisp knowledge 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>
>>>>>> able to debug a program in tcl/tk.
>>>>>> So if you have any good book on lisp and you are so kind to share it 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> me, i wait for it.
>>>>>> I use lisp in my programming job.
>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>> Black Ares
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:04 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Neural Networks, Programming Languages
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To comment a little on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lisp is not a functional programming language. It supports a myriad 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> programming styles which is why it has survived and thrived in some
>>>>>>> instances for over 50 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lisp supports functional, procedural, logical, aspect oriented, and
>>>>>>> object
>>>>>>> oriented styles just to name a very small few.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, it is truly a wonderful language. In less than 300 lines of 
>>>>>>> code,
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was able to write a distributed evolutionary algorithm to do the 
>>>>>>> class
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> traveling salesman like problems efficiently and quite nicely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As another example, the entire prolog language was implmented in lisp 
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> back of my introduction to lisp book, for example. Some of the three 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> five liners in lisp are truly mind blowing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *chuckling*, and folks think I'm a java guy, *snicker*, man do I have
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> fooled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish I had an opportunity to use lisp on a daily basis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>> Sina
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black 
>>>>>>> ares
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:56 PM
>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can make A.I. even with visual c#, but you must make a lot of 
>>>>>>> code.
>>>>>>> There are other programming paradigms more dedicated to this.
>>>>>>> 1. Functional programming (represented by lisp/scheme)
>>>>>>> 2. Logical programming (represented by prolog)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for example a gcd calculation in prolog will look like:
>>>>>>> gcd(x,0,X).
>>>>>>> gcd(X,Y,D):-R is X MOD Y,gcd(Y,R,D).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thats all
>>>>>>> now you can make
>>>>>>> gcd(15,5,X).
>>>>>>> and in d you will have the result.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compare this with a traditional procedural/oop programming euclid
>>>>>>> algorithm
>>>>>>> and you will see the benefits.
>>>>>>> For having A.I. is necessary to have the learning capability in your
>>>>>>> software
>>>>>>> that means that a method have to change is behavior from a calling to
>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>>> To be more explicit let say we have a method that receive 2 
>>>>>>> parameters
>>>>>>> x and y to integers
>>>>>>> at first call the method returns the sum of the two numbers.
>>>>>>> Some where in time at another call the same method with same 
>>>>>>> parameters
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> to return the product of the two integers.
>>>>>>> that according to some lines which are between those two calls.
>>>>>>> And this change in behavior must be not predictiv
>>>>>>> so you can not do an if in the method and according to an conditon
>>>>>>> return
>>>>>>> either the sum or the product.
>>>>>>> For this situation functional programming respond better than other
>>>>>>> paradigms.
>>>>>>> Because in a functional programming language you can modify the body 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> function easy from call to call.
>>>>>>> in c# in dotnet 2.0 this is posible only using reflection.
>>>>>>> dotnet 3.0 introduced 2 new things that I like very much
>>>>>>> 1. linq
>>>>>>> 2. f#
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also you can find on the net libraries written for c# used to 
>>>>>>> interpret
>>>>>>> lisp/prolog.
>>>>>>> I worked with some of them in time to get faster results.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best regards.
>>>>>>> bBlack Ares
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: Ricks Place <mailto:OFBGMail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:40 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Neural Networks, Programming Languages
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Guys:
>>>>>>> Just looking at overviews of how Neural Networks are used to predict
>>>>>>> Stock Market movements. Is the AI done an any language like Vb.net or
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> there specific Programming languages used here. I am just looking at 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> possibilities to see if my programming and math knowledge would allow 
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> play with them some.
>>>>>>> I have a good background in math, stats and Vb.net and can, of
>>>>>>> course, learn other things if necessary but what might they be?
>>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>>>
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