RE: Neural Networks, Programming Languages

  • From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:51:03 -0400

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Take care,
Sina

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:28 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages

I am interested in evry kind of documentationon lisp so if you can ofer 
something...
More than the language it self, lisp ofer a variety of dialects (scheme) or 
other like it.
I remember that I don't know at all tcl/tk, but with my lisp knowledge I was

able to debug a program in tcl/tk.
So if you have any good book on lisp and you are so kind to share it with 
me, i wait for it.
I use lisp in my programming job.
best regards
Black Ares
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:04 PM
Subject: RE: Neural Networks, Programming Languages


> To comment a little on this.
>
> Lisp is not a functional programming language. It supports a myriad of
> programming styles which is why it has survived and thrived in some
> instances for over 50 years.
>
> Lisp supports functional, procedural, logical, aspect oriented, and object
> oriented styles just to name a very small few.
>
> Also, it is truly a wonderful language. In less than 300 lines of code, I
> was able to write a distributed evolutionary algorithm to do the class of
> traveling salesman like problems efficiently and quite nicely.
>
> As another example, the entire prolog language was implmented in lisp in 
> the
> back of my introduction to lisp book, for example. Some of the three and
> five liners in lisp are truly mind blowing.
>
> *chuckling*, and folks think I'm a java guy, *snicker*, man do I have them
> fooled.
>
> I wish I had an opportunity to use lisp on a daily basis.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
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>
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:56 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Neural Networks, Programming Languages
>
>
> You can make A.I. even with visual c#, but you must make a lot of code.
> There are other programming paradigms more dedicated to this.
> 1. Functional programming (represented by lisp/scheme)
> 2. Logical programming (represented by prolog)
>
> for example a gcd calculation in prolog will look like:
> gcd(x,0,X).
> gcd(X,Y,D):-R is X MOD Y,gcd(Y,R,D).
>
> Thats all
> now you can make
> gcd(15,5,X).
> and in d you will have the result.
>
> Compare this with a traditional procedural/oop programming euclid 
> algorithm
> and you will see the benefits.
> For having A.I. is necessary to have the learning capability in your
> software
> that means that a method have to change is behavior from a calling to
> another.
> To be more explicit let say we have a method that receive 2 parameters
> x and y to integers
> at first call the method returns the sum of the two numbers.
> Some where in time at another call the same method with same parameters 
> have
> to return the product of the two integers.
> that according to some lines which are between those two calls.
> And this change in behavior must be not predictiv
> so you can not do an if in the method and according to an conditon return
> either the sum or the product.
> For this situation functional programming respond better than other
> paradigms.
> Because in a functional programming language you can modify the body of a
> function easy from call to call.
> in c# in dotnet 2.0 this is posible only using reflection.
> dotnet 3.0 introduced 2 new things that I like very much
> 1. linq
> 2. f#
>
> Also you can find on the net libraries written for c# used to interpret
> lisp/prolog.
> I worked with some of them in time to get faster results.
>
> best regards.
> bBlack Ares
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Ricks Place <mailto:OFBGMail@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:40 PM
> Subject: Neural Networks, Programming Languages
>
> Hi Guys:
> Just looking at overviews of how Neural Networks are used to predict
> Stock Market movements. Is the AI done an any language like Vb.net or are
> there specific Programming languages used here. I am just looking at the
> possibilities to see if my programming and math knowledge would allow me 
> to
> play with them some.
> I have a good background in math, stats and Vb.net and can, of
> course, learn other things if necessary but what might they be?
> Rick USA
>
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