I agree that UIA is sadly under utilized by screen readers. I'm curious -- to what extent did they follow up on your feedback and resolve problems? What obstacles did they face? What interest was there in continuing a dialog?
Jamal On 7/30/2010 6:09 AM, Sina Bahram wrote:
I know that MS is most likely aware of several of these issues. Due to a project we were working on at the time, I was able to get us access to some of the core developers and product managers of VS, and Ken and I conducted a conference call with them back a couple of years ago where we highlighted a lot of the fundamental accessibility issues. It's nice to see some of those concerns seriously addressed, both systemically and also, in part, specifically, in VS 2010, but there is a great deal of work to be done client side to take advantage of the myriad of accessibility and rich semantic information that VS offers; however, that no assistive technology actually bothers utilizing. I won't speak for Ken, but I, at least, was definitely impressed with their grasp of the relevant accessibility and usability issues, along with their realistic approach to the situation. Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:33 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Andreas Stefik Subject: Re: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced. Andreas, By any chance, is there a report on this topic by your research team that you can share? It could be helpful in highlighting aspects of VS2010 that need screen reader scripting. It could also be conveyed to Microsoft to help it understand problems that we are encountering with this latest VS. Jamal On 7/28/2010 9:20 PM, Andreas Stefik wrote:My research team just finished some usability testing with blind children using visual studio 2010 and JAWS 11. The students were able to use it to complete simple problems, but VS 2010 has a pretty large laundry list of accessibility problems, in my opinion. Stefik On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Katherine Moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:I don't see how version 2010 is inaccessible though. I was on my desktop at home and I was placing buttons on a winform app as well as setting their properties correctly. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:30 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced. VS 2005 and 2008 are both made accessible with the jaws scripts and information available at my grab bag site (URL under my name) and/or with information and/or tools available at non visual development.org www.NonvisualDevelopment.org and has been for years HTH, inthane Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gallik"<BillGallik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:22 AM Subject: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced.The last time I attempted to teach myself C++ in the Visual Studio SDE I found it basically inaccessible. Has there been a significant progressiontoward accessibility in the Visual Studio environment? It would seem, judging from all the respondants to this thread -- that Visual Studio has indeed become more screen reader friendly. And, if so, which version(s)? ---- Holland's Person, Bill E-Mail: BillGallik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx - The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese! __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5321 (20100728) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5321 (20100728) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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