Re: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced.

  • From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 02:30:49 -0500

Hi, Ken,

It's a bit of a conundrum.  The free version is buggy and inaccessible
so, we are reluctant to use it.  The paid version is well, ...
expensive.  Noone will want to shell out money for the paid version of
a free software they couldn't access because of the fear of buying
something they won't be able ot use.  The ideal thing would be for
someone who is enrolled in a college or university and thus able to
download the full version for free to have a nice, thorough lok at it,
script it and then share or sell the scripts.  I'd pay for scripts if
I was sure they would work.

Alex M

On 7/28/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I think its fine with Jaws as long as you use the scripts.  The problem is
> we are not even taking advantage of half of what visual studio allows
> because we have one set of scripts for the free version and the pay.  If we
> made a version of scripts for the pay version that has automation we could
> access everything.  In fact they have made it so accessible if someone was
> to sit down they could re write the entire interface using the API's they
> have.  It's not that it's not accessible it's that the current IDE is not
> designed for blind in mind but you see Microsoft has given us the power to
> make it both usable and accessible..
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Stefik
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:20 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced.
>
> My research team just finished some usability testing with blind
> children using visual studio 2010 and JAWS 11. The students were able
> to use it to complete simple problems, but VS 2010 has a pretty large
> laundry list of accessibility problems, in my opinion.
>
> Stefik
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Katherine Moss
> <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I don't see how version 2010 is inaccessible though.  I was on my desktop
> at
>> home and I was placing buttons on a winform app as well as setting their
>> properties correctly.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:30 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting
> divorced.
>>
>> VS 2005 and 2008 are both made accessible with the jaws scripts and
>> information available at my grab bag site (URL under my name)
>>
>> and/or with information and/or tools available at non visual
> development.org
>> www.NonvisualDevelopment.org
>>
>> and has been for years
>>
>> HTH,
>> inthane
>> Moderator, Blind Access Help
>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
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>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Gallik" <BillGallik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:22 AM
>> Subject: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced.
>>
>>
>>> The last time I attempted to teach myself C++ in the Visual Studio SDE I
>>> found it basically inaccessible.  Has there been a significant
> progression
>>
>>> toward accessibility in the Visual Studio environment? It would seem,
>>> judging from all the respondants to this thread -- that Visual Studio has
>>> indeed become more screen reader friendly.  And, if so, which version(s)?
>>> ----
>>> Holland's Person, Bill
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