The optimum accessibility that student would be able to achieve however would be dependent on accessibility features found only in the full version of VS. Their scripts would not port to the free version, if I understand correctly.
On 07/29/2010 09:18 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
Hi, rick, Microsoft lets people who are students download the full, expensive version for free as long as they can prove they are a college student. I'm sure there are other stipulations but, what I meant was that if there's a skilled jaws scripter out there who is enrolled in a college or university, that person could download and install the full 700 dollar version of visual studio for free and script it if such a thing is possible. I'm about to enroll in some college classes myself but I don't know the jaws scripting language since I'm pretty fiercely mainstream and therefore decided that something like c++ and python or perl would be better to start my programming with than an obscure single-application language. I may, however, reconsider python or perl as my first scripting languages and start on jaws scripting after I'm comfortable enough in c++ to shift my focus a bit to include another language in which case, I'd be more than happy to script visual studio 2010 but that's not in the near future as I am learning this language part time and my next couple of classes aren't going to be computer science ones. Ah, well, c'est la vie. Regards, Alex M On 7/29/10, RicksPlace<ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Hi Alex and Ken: This discussion was hashed out about 5 years ago when Ken, Will Pearson, Jamal and others were first planning the JAWS Scripts. 5 years later Ken is pretty much the sole Manager, cook and bottle washer for the JAWS Scripts. The VS 2010 costs something like $700 for that one package and it changes every couple years so it is pretty expensive for anyone not employed by a company or institution where it is provided free to the programmer. .. Perhaps WindowEyes will continue to work pretty well out of the box withVS when they implement UIA and the new Web Hooks. Also, their COM interface might offer a good platform for making VS more accessible. The PlugIn idea Ken mentioned should work very well indeed. Problem there is the development of such a PlugIn would require having the expensive version of VS and it would not work with the free version which most folks use when learning to program in one of the Visual Languages as you have seen on list over the past few months. Rick USA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Midence"<alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:30 AM Subject: Re: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced. Hi, Ken, It's a bit of a conundrum. The free version is buggy and inaccessible so, we are reluctant to use it. The paid version is well, ... expensive. Noone will want to shell out money for the paid version of a free software they couldn't access because of the fear of buying something they won't be able ot use. The ideal thing would be for someone who is enrolled in a college or university and thus able to download the full version for free to have a nice, thorough lok at it, script it and then share or sell the scripts. I'd pay for scripts if I was sure they would work. Alex M On 7/28/10, Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I think its fine with Jaws as long as you use the scripts. The problem is we are not even taking advantage of half of what visual studio allows because we have one set of scripts for the free version and the pay. If we made a version of scripts for the pay version that has automation we could access everything. In fact they have made it so accessible if someone was to sit down they could re write the entire interface using the API's they have. It's not that it's not accessible it's that the current IDE is not designed for blind in mind but you see Microsoft has given us the power to make it both usable and accessible.. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Stefik Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:20 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced. My research team just finished some usability testing with blind children using visual studio 2010 and JAWS 11. The students were able to use it to complete simple problems, but VS 2010 has a pretty large laundry list of accessibility problems, in my opinion. Stefik On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Katherine Moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:I don't see how version 2010 is inaccessible though. I was on my desktopathome and I was placing buttons on a winform app as well as setting their properties correctly. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:30 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are gettingdivorced.VS 2005 and 2008 are both made accessible with the jaws scripts and information available at my grab bag site (URL under my name) and/or with information and/or tools available at non visualdevelopment.orgwww.NonvisualDevelopment.org and has been for years HTH, inthane Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gallik"<BillGallik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:22 AM Subject: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced.The last time I attempted to teach myself C++ in the Visual Studio SDE I found it basically inaccessible. Has there been a significantprogressiontoward accessibility in the Visual Studio environment? It would seem, judging from all the respondants to this thread -- that Visual Studio has indeed become more screen reader friendly. 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