RE: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 09:47:17 -0400
Sounds like you graduated around 86 to 88.
Ken
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:46 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
Will just say that back in the 80s when was sighted and when they tried to
help us get started with programming in an after school hours subject,
called computer science, we got started with something called logo, where
you had to instruct a tortoise to carry out walking actions, and the lines
it left behind would then build shapes, and the starting point was the 10
up, 10 right, 10 down, and then 10 left would build a square...
I had by then already been programming on my commodore 64, and my own XT at
home using QBasic, and a tiny bit of machine code, but anyway - the
principle was that programming involved a step by step process producing a
process/product.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:04 AM
Subject: RE: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
>
>
> Icky, I just realized I am old. All the coders I used to work with under
> the 20 year mark are now older. I think I am going to find a compiler
> with
> a cane so I can hobble around like an old man. Back in my day coding was
> opp codes and arguments cry now you young wiper snappers cry if your
> library
> don't have the right sorting algorithm. Well ladies just you break down
> and
> create your own little algorithms and see if your teeth don't fall out to.
> To make matters worse I am now being forced back into Java cry cry. Oh
> wait
>
>
> If java==young and me ==java then
> Me=Young
> End
>
>
> Yes I am young I am young!
>
> Brb got to go put some Icy hot on I walked 2 miles today.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:36 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
>
> Yup, same goes for me.
>
> Ken was the first guy I talked to on here, along with Laura when I ranted
> about c++ around 8 to 9 years ago.
>
> So give me a ring anytime, just email me off list for my number.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:31 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
>
>
>
> Well I am not going to say it will be easy. In fact getting the program
> working is one of the best joys you will find. You do have
> to learn to find fighting with code fun. I am of the opinion that all
> coders are somewhat sadistic. I remember spending 3 days on
> a bug that turned out not to be a bug I was compiling the wrong code and
> fixing another set of it and never noticed.
>
> One thing you have to do is start out with something easy. If Visual
> studio
> is being a beast then download Mingw and go do some
> simple c++ or c to start out with. Start out with simple menu driven
> programs at the command line like a math program that lets you
> add a few numbers. I know some colleges are trying to teach coding by
> making people drop pictures on a grid and add some if
> statements in Visual basic but that is not coding and blind folks can't do
> it that way. The good thing is once you break through
> the first few compiled programs no matter how simple you will start
> understanding how the compiler talks to you. After that it is
> still work but work that is as much joy as a pain in the butt.
>
> So again my suggestion is go install mingw after you get that installed
> try
> making a simple hello world and getting that compiled
> from there go out and read any of the simple c++ or C tutorials and go
> through each step no matter how simple it is. The reason is
> you are not just learning the language but you are learning what the
> compiler errors mean. If you get something that is only 10
> lines of code and gives you an error outside of the code it's easy to read
> line for line and compare to see what is different. If
> you get that same error in a big program and believe me you will get one
> that gives you a number outside the code you will not be
> able to understand what is wrong. Understanding your compiler is key.
>
> Remember this is just as hard as learning a foreign language the computer
> is
> the stupid American who only speaks one language and
> you are the master of the universe. Make it heal and if it don't heal
> make
> it think it is doing what it wants.
>
> As many have already said never give up but do get up and go out and do
> something when you have hit an error you can't figure out.
> Never just sit there and stare at the screen if you're stuck. Go out and
> play some guitar, dig a hole in the yard, Make a end
> table., take the girl friend/ wife to
> .... a show ... or something. Then come back and you will find that some
> of the coding knots in your brain untie themselves. We all go through it.
> I have been coding since 1986 and there are still days I want to take the
> computer and throw it out the window. But those days are
> made up by the days when I get an email from a user who thinks I walk on
> water. What they don't know is I can but it has to be
> really frozen.
>
> Anyway if you need help getting through the original stages of pain there
> are people on this list that don't mind giving out their
> phone number to walk you through your first errors. Tyler is only partly
> write we didn't kill him because we knew what it was like
> not because we had any restraint at all. In fact part of ranting back and
> forth on this list is getting away from the code and
> fuming a while. Anyway if the chips are down and your code has you by the
> balls write this list or write me personally and I will
> give you my phone number to call and we can get it working.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:59 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
>
> Hi all,
>
> All I get when using visual studio are nothing but errors! I just want to
> be
> able to write a program and have it work! Just once!
> But no. All I get are errors! So what's the use in even trying?
> Encouragement needed badly!
> Thanks.
> Jes
>
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